Opening, again, a can of worms . . .

[Teresa]

ok..first  let me address Diane and SDM...
All valid  CC license holders have to pass a test.. have a background check and qualify with a firearm before they are allowed to have the license..

If people are shooting at each other.. and at the police.. They "just have guns"... there is no CC license in their back pocket I can assure you.

Frank, not all CC are legal, and I think this is what Diane was speaking about.

Yes they are........ all Conceal Carry licenses..are legal..
There is only one way ( and its the same for everyone) to get one.. and that is to take the 8 hr course... background check ..firearms safety instruction and qualifying by shooting said amount  number of rounds into a target in the bulls eye ( body) area of silhouettes..  If you miss ( go out of the marked area) 2 times out of the 10--20 rds each time.. you are denied the license..
if they have a slip of paper in their pocket that is was not acquired by the  legal means to get it.. then once again.. it isn't a CC.. it is just an idiot with a gun who has a slip of paper in his pocket....
a Valid CC license looks exactly like your drivers license.. all the same stuff on it but at the bottom it has Conceal Carry License  in bold ..

Cheyenne.,. my suggestion is " if you are not afraid of guns.. but you just lack confidence in using them.. take the course... let the instructor show you and work with you on how to shoot and also after the course you will gt a much better understanding of all the safety.. the rules etc that carrying a gun entails.
You might not and in fact you have a 98% chance of never having to fire it... but.. if danger is standing between you and your child.............................do you not think that you wouldn't stop at anything to protect that child? Don't ever expect someone else to be there to protect you.. If something is going to happen.. probably will happen while you are alone or unaware.. Be prepared to take care of yourself..
in those kinds of situations believe me.. no one really thinks rational unless they are trained military or an instructor or someone  who deals with things of this nature daily..
You won't have all your wits about you.. but IT IS YOU  or YOUR CHILD THAT IS IN DANGER.............I can not stress that fact enough... you will not pull that gun unless it is that scenario..believe me..
If I see something go down across the parking lot and I'm not right there..close enough... I am not going to pull my gun. simple as that..
I will not run way... and I will probably  do my best to get closer all the while dialing 911..... but I am not going to run into a situation where I have no idea of  the danger to myself or other bystanders...

CC Holders ..no matter the situation.. will be taken in to the police station ( likely booked)  if they fire that gun!  When all the information is on the table.. if it was self defense.. you will most likely be let go..
but if it isn't ... then it isn't as most think it is.. you will have to get a lawyer and prove you were protecting yourself ..
(criminals still seem to have the upper hand)     ***unless they are dead**  then if there were witnesses and it really was self defense and not a fight  between a jealous spouse etc.. you should be released...
Thats why its best to not play the Hero.....

It not like ........ hey I have a license so I can just pull and shoot and go home to supper"..
And we are taught to never shoot at the legs or other places.. You shoot to kill...
( but if my family was being hurt and I have even a slim second to fire.. I will be aiming for the vital areas.. )
But please.. do not depend on others... it is not the CC holders responsibility to be the babysitters of everyone else.. you take responsibility for you and yours..


sorry I got long winded...  

[srkruzich]

remember.. IF you draw it.. there is no going back........ you have to mentally and physically be prepared to pull the trigger...and you shoot to kill!   You can not second guess.. to second guess could be you and your family's death.. Criminals have nothing to lose.. they go into the situation armed and without any care or regard for human life..

There is a huge responsibility in carrying a firearm on your person..  One I do not take lightly..

I have a rule, if I am in a situation I have to pully my gun, its going to kill something. 

[srkruzich]

What do you do when the CCs start shooting each other? In the section of Wilmington that I do not go near, they all carry, everybody knows it and they shoot each other anyway. They all think they'll get the first shot off, but they are so bad at it they seem to shoot everybody except who they were aiming for. They had 3 more shootings just last night.They know the police are always armed and they shoot at them them too. Those bad guys are usually high on crack so they aren't using "common sense" anyway.

You know i see no problem there!  IF their crackheads then let them kill each other.  Problem solved.

[srkruzich]

had to leave the house for the night). I don't think I could think rationally enough in that moment to not make a mistake. Somebody correct me if i'm wrong but I believe you have to have a certain amount of hours in training as well as pass an accuracy test.

Uhmm i don't know about here but i just went to the magistrate judge and got mine.

I would say most people probably want to go take a course, but i personally don't need one as i was pretty much born with a gun in my hand, and have had to use one in defense of myself before.  Not afraid of a gun nor am I afraid of using one and every gun i own i know how to break down and reassemble blindfolded. 

[Teresa]

Uhmm i don't know about here but i just went to the magistrate judge and got mine.

I would say most people probably want to go take a course, but i personally don't need one as i was pretty much born with a gun in my hand, and have had to use one in defense of myself before.  Not afraid of a gun nor am I afraid of using one and every gun i own i know how to break down and reassemble blindfolded. 

Hmmmm thats interesting.. I am inside the gun industry 24-7 with instructors, snipers, gun manufactures, policeman who make up most of my friends.. and that is a new one on me..
Shouldn't matter at all that you were "born with a gun in your hand"... certification is certification.....
Unless you have hours and hours of special forces..military special unit forces.. or gun instructors.. you should have had to go through the channels.
I'll check into it though...........

[Diane Amberg]

I wasn't talking about ''licensed" concealed carry permitted people necessarily. There are areas in which everybody has a "hidden" if you would, weapon legal or otherwise. Unfortunately there have been a few true concealed carry permitted folks, including a couple of off duty police officers,( Philly) who have gotten mad and have shot others during the heat of an argument, but that's not what I meant.

[Teresa]

ohhhh  I understand.. but when you talk to law abiders you might want to use  a different term.. LOL  
You might just use the term " rif raf crackheads who shoot each other".. cause actually anyone who has a gun..legal or not.. will have it tucked away..
You can carry outside the body in some states.. but I don't want "them" to know I have anything.. LOL
In the gun world CC holders are law abiders with valid licenses.. ( or supposed to be.. but then ..everyone is human..and mistakes are made )
I usually can be trusted with a rolling pin while making pie crust.. but just let Kjell walk by and make a snide remark about my pies and wham... that rolling pin  will be a lethal weapon and will have me sitting in the clinker.,.    

[srkruzich]

I wasn't talking about ''licensed" concealed carry permitted people necessarily. There are areas in which everybody has a "hidden" if you would, weapon legal or otherwise. Unfortunately there have been a few true concealed carry permitted folks, including a couple of off duty police officers,( Philly) who have gotten mad and have shot others during the heat of an argument, but that's not what I meant.

You know you don't have to worry about everyone that conceals even if their not permitted to carry.  I know i have always carried concealed and haven't always had a permit.   I don't care if i have one or not.   I figure as long as i am alive thats all that counts.   I would rather be tried by 12 than carried by 6. 
In other words, i am no threat unless you intend to do me or someone else harm. 

[jarhead]

What is the fine / jail time for getting caught with a concealed wepon and no permit vs having a CC permit but getting caught in a business that has a sign saying no CC ?

[srkruzich]

What is the fine / jail time for getting caught with a concealed wepon and no permit vs having a CC permit but getting caught in a business that has a sign saying no CC ?

I don't know.  I really never worried about it because the only time anyone would know i was carrying concealed without a permit is if i had to use it to make some slimeball DRT.