Iraq & Afghanistan Body Counts

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[Varmit]

We should stay only if we are going to fight to WIN.  Otherwise, it is time to pull out.  But I think it has to do more with our policy over there than it does body counts of our losses. 

[larryJ]

I am with you, varmit, both of these "wars" are turning into "Vietnam" all over again.  We have the power to blow these people off the face of the earth.  Barring the use of such power, we have the capability to find and kill these people-----more than we are doing now.  For every cave, the U.S. should pull up in front and announce in the local language that the people inside that cave have 10 minutes to vacate before we start firing rockets into it.  Eventually they are going to run out of places to hide.  Politics are getting in the way---------AGAIN!!!!  They say, "Hey, these people are non-combatants so we can't just shoot them."  HELLO!!!!!!!!!!!   Terrorists are not the army, terrorists are citizens, the guy with the bomb strapped to his chest is a citizen up to when he blows himself and many a few soldiers with him.  The guy who made the IED designed to kill soldiers is just a citizen and you can't shoot him until he actually blows someone up.  Give me a break!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It's either get in and get the job done or get out and protect our own borders.

Larryj

[Varmit]

It's either get in and get the job done or get out and protect our own borders.
Larryj

Amen and Amen.  Unfortunately neither is going to happen.  As for giving them 10 minutes to vacate, I say screw that.  Just kill'em.  As for the locals, and this is going to be harsh, they have been warned, and whats more they can't be trusted.  Frankly, I am not interested in their opinion of the U.S.  they have had roughly 8 years to show their cooperation and willingness to help.  And yet we still have these rag-headed terrorists running around.  And why?  Because our politicians are too worried about colleratal damages and how the rest of the world views the U.S.  I say turn our military lose and tell'em to go to work.  Damn the torpedos and the U.N.

[Diane Amberg]

I have friends who just came from there and some who just went back again. One of the problems that they see is our determination that we pull up and train their own military to solve their own problems, yet most of them are totally illiterate. Stone age people, the peasants I mean, trying to be trained in sophisticated weaponry. Our officers are apparently very frustrated. My information is all second hand from them.

[sixdogsmom]

The whole thing is an exercise in futility IMHO. I still stand on what I said a year ago; we do not have any business in Afghanistan or Iraq.

[flintauqua]

We need to just get the hell out of there (Iraq and Afghanistan) and come home.  The various factions have only one thing in common - they hate us. 

If we would leave, they'll go back to killing each other instead of us.  Then let the 'spooks' (CIA, counter-intelligence, etc) do what they do best, take out command and control from within, to keep them from bringing the war over here. 

Instead we're reigning in the spooks, and sending our people over there to accomplish absolutely nothing except get killed.

[jarhead]

Yea Flint, that's what I would do--cut and run. The pacifist said the same thing about Viet Nam. "Just bring our troops home and everything will be hunky dory". Tell that to the 1.4 - 2.2 million Cambodians that died at the hands of the Khmer Rouge regime. Right or wrong ,our troops were commited to fight these wars, then by God do whatever it takes to win. If Gen. McCrystal says he needs 40,000 or 200,000 more troops to win then why is the CiC sitting on his ----- where he should have gonads---planning his stratagy. Bull Crap !!!! That's what his field commanders are for. That is the exact reason every CiC should have been in the military instead of some spineless pretty-boy, that the only combat he knows is back in the hood in the streets of Chicago.

[jerry wagner]

Yea Flint, that's what I would do--cut and run. The pacifist said the same thing about Viet Nam. "Just bring our troops home and everything will be hunky dory". Tell that to the 1.4 - 2.2 million Cambodians that died at the hands of the Khmer Rouge regime. Right or wrong ,our troops were commited to fight these wars, then by God do whatever it takes to win. If Gen. McCrystal says he needs 40,000 or 200,000 more troops to win then why is the CiC sitting on his ----- where he should have gonads---planning his stratagy. Bull Crap !!!! That's what his field commanders are for. That is the exact reason every CiC should have been in the military instead of some spineless pretty-boy, that the only combat he knows is back in the hood in the streets of Chicago.

What gives you the right to act as world police? 

Why should every CiC be a former serviceman when the consitution does not specify that as a constitutional requirement?

[srkruzich]

What gives you the right to act as world police?  

Lets see, the first amendment for starters, secondly he's done his time defending and that in itself earns him the right more than any of the rest of us that haven't served!

Why should every CiC be a former serviceman when the consitution does not specify that as a constitutional requirement?

IF the CIC is going to send our sons and daughters into a hell hole, he ought to have some experience of being in a hell hole.  You know those who can do, those who can't become senators.

Its funny we require our police force to go through training, we require our military men to go through training before sending them off into war, but we don't require the CIC to be trained before trying to act as a leader of these trained men!