How about a thread...................

[pamsback]

 for POSITIVE political discussion? A thread to discuss the problems and possible solutions without the scare tactics and the negative propaganda?
Practicle information on political problems, environmental problems, economical problems, healthcare problems...? News about innovations and progress? News about what people are doin everyday everywhere to make a difference for the next generation independant of politics, agendas and predjudices?
Anyone interested?

[sixdogsmom]

Maybe we need to leave the political out of the name, and name it social interaction. No, that probably wouldn't work either---  Anybody?

[Anmar]

I've been following that Traficant guy since he got out of jail,  Waiting for him to make a few more appearances before i was going to start a thread but he's saying some interesting things.

[redcliffsw]

James Traficant is more like the the old Democrats.
Glorified Republicanism dominates the Democrat party
these days.

[Warph]

Okay.... here's a couple:


While we have soldiers being killed in Afghanistan, Senator John Kerry has the gall to insert a $20 million earmark in the defense spending bill to fund the Edward M. Kennedy Institute.  The purpose of the institute is to house Kennedy's papers.  It is to be built on the campus of the University of Massachusetts at Boston.  The leftists have no conscience, they have no shame, and they have no memory.  Have they forgotten that Kennedy was a sot, a womanizer, possibly a traitor (his letter to Russia: http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/08/kgb_kennedy_the_ted_kennedy_i.html 
and, through his negligence and cowardly concern for career, allowed a young woman to suffocate and drown in his submerged car.  He also skipped a full term military stint (Only 2 yrs., courtesy of his father).  Now Kerry (who, you will remember, served in Vietnam and then ratted on the military) wants to honor Kennedy with money from a military bill.  Well that figures since Kerry detested the military anyway and Kennedy essentially ignored it; why not debase the military further with this piece of pork.  It's beyond comprehension.  It's a travesty to tie funds for this institute to a military spending bill.  It's a travesty to spend any tax money on any such self-righteous program. 

and this:

The longer he is in office, the more it appears that Barack H. Obama doesn't really want to be president but only to PLAY at being president.  He doesn't seem interested in dealing with the messy, day-to-day responsibilities of the president's job.  He doesn't want to be the Chief Executive and propose legislation that will move the country forward to new heights.  He doesn't want to be Commander-In-Chief of the military and execute a necessary war.  He doesn't take on the fiscal responsibilities required of the executive to deal with our economic issues.  He doesn't want to be leader of the United States and act with dignity and forcefulness to put American interests forward in the world community.  Barack Obama, like a child playing a game, seems to ignore reality and live in a make-believe world.  He goes to international conferences and makes speeches so that (as he imagines) the countries of the world see him as the organizer of a global community; he appears on radio and television to speak and be seen as the leader of the country that he refuses to lead; he wants to talk; he loves to talk.  And like the child who plays at being doctor or father or mother, he talks about what he wants.  Like a child, he overuses the first person pronouns.  All his rhetoric is "I" and "me" and "my" and, sometimes, the inclusive "us" and "our."  He wants to be seen and heard.  But he doesn't want to do (except to make speeches, and even these are prepared by others, canned, and read from a teleprompter).  Those speeches in which he does seem to be taking charge are followed by a child-like loss of interest in the subject.  He loses interest in playing that game and goes on to another.  In the meantime, other world leaders, especially our enemies and potential enemies are operating in the real world of economic turmoil, international power rivalry, and horrendous weapons.  In these perilous times, made more so by his apparent lack of interest in dealing maturely with real issues, we cannot afford to have a chief executive who abdicates his duties and only plays at being president.


Now.... Keeping in mind, "A thread to discuss the problems and possible solutions without the scare tactics and the negative propaganda?" ..... what I have laid out here are all Facts... they are problems, (no scare tatics or negative propaganda) looking for solutions.  Who wants to go first?

[pamsback]

I've been following that Traficant guy since he got out of jail,  Waiting for him to make a few more appearances before i was going to start a thread but he's saying some interesting things.

colorful guy alright ! Think if he knows things he says he knows he ought to just spill his guts to anybody who will listen....get it public knowledge. NOW. If it's true and whoever would kill to keep it secret..tell EVERYbody!

I was thinkin along the lines of posting and discussin practical nuts and bolts type info instead of "political" type info that never accomplishes anything or teaches us anything that doesn't have party spin on it. Reckon that's possible to do?
Now for Warph's........
You don't like what Congressmen are doing...quit re-electing them. Like I said before some of those people have been re-elected for 20-30 years or more. They never do anything different so it's the fools who keep voting for thems fault. Until that stops NOTHING will change. Our government is stagnant and corrupt. I t needs new blood.

As for Obama, he will be gone with another election also.Whoever happens to be president at any given time gets all the credit for whatever is happening at the time. The problems we have in this country AND in the world didn't start yesterday or even the day after he got elected. These things have been comin to a head ever since Nixon. The same thing applies...our government is stagnant and corrupt. It is rotting and needs new blood NOW.
It needs all the doors thrown open and the cobwebs cleaned out of the corners. It needs a good stiff wind to clean out the polluted air. The "spooks" and secret keepers have been in charge too long.

[pamsback]

Here is the kind of thing I'm talking about......this is forward-looking. The only problem is the companies are mostly from over-seas....America needs to create it's OWN industry companies.....yeah the jobs are gonna be great for the people who get them but WE end up being the consumer instead of the manufacturer once again.

SIOUX FALLS, S.D. - The same week that automakers sought billions in aid to avoid bankruptcy, two states, including Michigan, announced huge alternative power industry investments, with one site being built on land once set aside to lure auto manufacturers.

Manufacturing strongholds hardest hit by job losses years ago began laying the groundwork to land green jobs and may now be poised for the biggest gains, depending on federal economic stimulus funding.

The $900 billion economic package before Congress has more than $50 billion in energy-related incentives.


President Barack Obama has set a goal of doubling the use of renewable energy in three years, potentially placing states with established programs in a position to replace thousands of manufacturing jobs lost over the last decade.

Michigan created a $2 billion fund using tobacco settlement money to target four economic sectors, one being alternative energy.

The state, which has lost more than 150,000 automotive jobs over the past eight years, began using community colleges to retrain the unemployed and underemployed for green jobs.

"Employers, if you come to Michigan, we will deliver trained employees to you," Gov. Jennifer Granholm said. "And employees, we will pay for your training, but the kicker is you've got to agree to be trained in an area that we know we have need in."

The alternative energy industry, like others, is being shaken right now by a wave of layoffs and bankruptcies. Without help from the government, analysts are forecasting double digit declines in business and installations.

States continue to look beyond the current economic downturn, however, and many expect a boom in alternative energy investments ahead.

The competition to lure green industry jobs heated up several years ago, and is expected to grow even tighter with more money in play.

Federal proposals include $32 billion to upgrade the nation's electrical distribution system, more than $20 billion in tax cuts to promote the development of alternatives to oil, and billions more to make public housing, federal buildings and modest-income homes more energy efficient.

Glen Andersen, of the National Conference of State Legislatures, said states began lobbying for green jobs long before it was known that Washington might sweeten the investment pot.

"They definitely are just looking at their own interests and not considering the federal government," he said.

Denmark-based Vestas Wind Systems said it would invest $680 million in Colorado and employ as many as 2,450 people in the state by 2010.

Though economic incentives could exceed $8 million, Larry Burkhardt, president and chief executive officer of Upstate Colorado Economic Development, said that plays a small role in luring companies like Vestas.

A trained work force and a transportation infrastructure to move raw materials are what launches a community to the top of a company's list, Burkhardt said.

"Incentives are just icing on the cake, and they usually are used to differentiate finalist communities," he said.

Hexcel Corp., a British wind turbine component maker, recently announced plans to build a facility next to a Vestas plant in Colorado.

"We're going to see continued inquiries," Burkhardt said.

Pennsylvania, which was hit by contraction in the steel and manufacturing sectors, began seeking out alternative power companies long ago, and landed Spanish wind energy manufacturing giant Gamesa six years ago.

Today, Gamesa has its U.S. headquarters in Philadelphia and facilities further west in Ebensburg and Fairless Hills, at a former U.S. Steel site.

Add-on projects that come with big alternative energy deals are getting increased attention.

Michigan is extending tax credits to suppliers of alternative energy companies as well.

"If they lure any of their supply chain into Michigan, we will give them a tax break in addition to the tax breaks we would give to the companies they're luring," Granholm said.

Hemlock Semiconductor Corp., which is building the giant manufacturing facility originally intended to lure an auto company in Tennessee, plans to spend more than $2.2 billion to expand solar operations in Michigan.

The initial $1.2 billion investment by Hemlock, a joint venture between Dow Corning Corp. and Japanese companies Shin-Etsu Handotai Co. and Mitsubishi Materials Corp., could become the largest industrial project in Tennessee history.

James Chavez, president of the local economic development council, said the 1,215-acre site near the Kentucky border was originally being prepped to lure in an auto manufacturer.

Yet he and others were waiting and preparing for companies like Hemlock.

Competition for green projects has only grown more competitive, said Fred Mondragon, New Mexico's economic secretary.

Schott Solar Inc., a subsidiary of Schott AG of Germany, announced last year that it would build a $100 million photovoltaic production facility in Albuquerque, but only after the state beat out nearly a dozen other states and 17 countries for the project.

"We see that frequently," he said.

[Tobina+1]

OK, so let's play this game...
ALL political seats at all levels are up for grabs in November.  No one can announce who is "running".  No campaigns.  No TV ads.

Who would you vote for?  (State their name and the political seat you'd vote for them.  Maybe include who currently holds that seat, too.)  Although ballots aren't ESSAY, feel free to post here why you think that person would be good for that position.

[pamsback]

could get interesting..........

[Anmar]

OK, so let's play this game...
ALL political seats at all levels are up for grabs in November.  No one can announce who is "running".  No campaigns.  No TV ads.

Who would you vote for?  (State their name and the political seat you'd vote for them.  Maybe include who currently holds that seat, too.)  Although ballots aren't ESSAY, feel free to post here why you think that person would be good for that position.

President - Ron Paul

Vice pres - Jesse Ventura

Governor (California) - Tom Campbell

Senators (California) - Tom McClintock, Pete Stark

House (13th district, CA)  -  Myself, duh!

I'll edit my post as to my reasons when i have a bit more time.