Thumbs up for Arizona and Constitutional rights

[pamsback]

Then she and anyone else living in those places should know that the "gun" is not the problem..
Any law abiding true 2nd amendment believer knows that.

But I'm not going to repeat myself ... so I'll leave it at that..

Hell Teresa I'm pretty sure she DOES know that.

I know I sure as hell do so.......yall preachin to the choir in MY case.

[Diane Amberg]

You know, I'm not quite sure how many direct insults I'm supposed to swallow. Now I'm supposed to be going to go off and lead some sort of  liberal charge to stop people from having guns? That is totally insane talk.  Oh sure, I'll call Joe Biden and be sure he takes Elk County's guns away first. You'll finally have somebody to shoot at to justify all the ammunition and food you are hoarding for when I come to get you? You are clever people I'll give you that. I'm all for states having the right to set age limits on how old you have to be to be out there freewheeling it with a gun.  Some how that has turned into I'm for gun control??  That's just my own personal opinion and I hope you choke on it. Delaware's state constitution has gun ownership protection in it too. It's fine with me.  Only I can decide how I feel about things, not you. So you call me a liar....big deal. I've had it with the innuendo..only "true patriots" do this or that, only certain people speak "true words" about certain things. Hogwash. That doesn't make the rest of us liars. This country was built for All its citizens, east, west, rural, suburban, city, not just.... (Wink,wink,nudge,nudge) a chosen few conservatives. What happened to MY free speech? Now I'm supposed to limit the threads I can be on? Gee, how many a day am I allowed? You are determined to call me a liberal, so how about if I call a couple of you skin head white supremacist bigots and see how you like it....prove you aren't. See, the old cow CAN kick.  Apparently only a few can make jokes and I'm not one of them? Warph, read the bottom of your own page about people with a sense of humor.You put it there for all to see, but it doesn't apply to you?  Several of you have been deliberately baiting me, now lay off. Billy, I told you before, I've never had a typing class in my life and I told you go ahead and tease me about it because you'd be right. I know it sucks. I'm a little better I think, but it's still two fingers and I'm not quite ready to try touch typing. If I do, I promise you you'll be able to tell.

[Teresa]

Jeese. I only said 3 sentences...................................

Who pissed in your cheerios............

[Kjell H.]

We received this from a Down Range member and I think it is very appropriate to share with you. This person brings up excellent thoughts on this issue.

Hello to you, and to Michael, I would like to add in something to this, "wearing guns when POTUS comes to town."
We all agree that it is legal for these people to wear their guns in Open Carry and I would do the very same if I lived in a state that allowed open carry (I live in Florida).  I would wear openly to one of these POTUS events simply because I have seen the footage of the gentleman from Louisiana who was attacked by SEIU people, the ones in the purple shirts, and I would not want to be accosted by them or ACORN activists.  While I am not wanting a show down of sorts with anyone I would also take steps to let others know that I will defend myself should they decide to lay hands on me or my wife.

Why is it that Fox News and others directly in the gun culture only see the protesters as protesting about gun restrictions?  Why is it that the only motivation considered for wearing openly is to protest Obama's bent on removing all forms of guns?  Why hasn't anyone from the gun culture interviewed people from New Hampshire or Arizona and asked them what their motivations were to open carry at a presidential event?  I would like to know and I would like for you Michael or Tom Gresham or any of the gun culture insiders to expose the flip side to this, that SCIU people or Acorn people are disrupting and sometimes violent to us, "Mob crowds."

I believe it is doing a great disservice to fellow gun owners who legally exercise their right to carry.  Why is it in poor taste to carry at a POTUS event?  It's perception thats why, and while the MSM uses this episode to put down gun owners and supporters of the Second Amendment the gun culture, to my view, seems to be following lock step with them in condemning instead of opting to support these brave people who attended these events, allowed their pictures to be taken, interviewed by CNN and mocked, face possible alienation by their neighbors, friends and family.  For me I salute them and as I say, if I could do it I would too.  Can we not remember why we carry for protection to begin with?  It's to defend and not to attack.  To enable us to hopefully back out of a dangerous situation, to get clear of a bad thing going down, to protect me, myself and I as well as our family members so we can go home at the end of the day and love one another as family and friends.

I do not see the actions of the protesters as damaging but an opportunity to speak out as the gun culture and say, "Hey, I would too!  Who wants to be attacked by ACORN for exercising our First Amendment?  I wouldn't do it to provoke but to defend.

Your Thoughts?

The People ARE trying to get the message across that it ISN'T JUST gun rights, it's about the governments entire attitude toward the people and their blatant ignorance of the Constitution.

[Varmit]

You know, I'm not quite sure how many direct insults I'm supposed to swallow.

I can understand if someone called you a leftist-liberal-know it all-bong smoking hippie, how that could be taken as an insult.  However, when a person says that he doesn't believe you because of your own words, how is that an insult?

Now I'm supposed to be going to go off and lead some sort of  liberal charge to stop people from having guns? That is totally insane talk. 

You're right, that is insane.  Espcially since no one here said that you were leading anything. Re-read the post, he wasn't saying that you were personallly leading the charge, just that you were in agreement with it. 

It appears to me that you are on the leading edge of many liberal trends and that you'll support some kind of method for the Fed's to take the guns of Americans or to keep Americans from obtaining ammo.

I'm all for states having the right to set age limits on how old you have to be to be out there freewheeling it with a gun.  Some how that has turned into I'm for gun control?? 

So, in your opinion, we can own firearms, but we hae to be a certain age before we can carry?  Not only that but you support "total gun registry", how is that NOT gun control?  Last time I checked, the U.S. Constitution was pretty clear "...the right of the people to keep and bear arms SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED."

  This country was built for All its citizens, east, west, rural, suburban, city, not just.... (Wink,wink,nudge,nudge) a chosen few conservatives.

Thats true Diane.  But it seems these days that it is only the conservatives who are fighting to keep our Constitution in place, and protect our rights and liberities from governmental encroachment.

What happened to MY free speech? Now I'm supposed to limit the threads I can be on? Gee, how many a day am I allowed? l.

No one is limiting your free speech or trying to tell you how much you can post.  However, there are some (myself included) that are tired of insults hiding behind smilies .  Espcially from someone who likes to point out grammical errors and the difference between THERE and THEIR, and then gets offended when someone uses satire and sarcasm to defend themselves.

You are determined to call me a liberal, so how about if I call a couple of you skin head white supremacist bigots and see how you like it....prove you aren't. See, the old cow CAN kick. 

Apparently, the "old cow" can also go back on things she has said.  Whatever happened to (and I am paraphrasing here) "we shouldn't call names, or make generalizations"??  Doesn't that show a lack of our "class"?? 

  Apparently only a few can make jokes and I'm not one of them? Warph, read the bottom of your own page about people with a sense of humor.You put it there for all to see, but it doesn't apply to you? 

Correct me if I am wrong, but his reply with the batman thing was a form of sarcasm and satire.  I for one thought it was rather creative.  What is the problem...did the "old cow" get mad when she got kicked back???

Several of you have been deliberately baiting me, now lay off.

Yeah, as if you haven't done before.  Oh, and by the way, where was this attitude that baiting is wrong when wilma was doing it to others on this fourm?

[Diane Amberg]

Teresa, none what I said was aimed at you, but somebody who I respect DID pee in my Cherrios, 'nuff said.
I don't like being called a liar. As far as grammatical checks, there are hundreds I haven't touched. The "their and there" thing was meant to be funny. It was aimed at Batman and Robin not WARPH, who has apparently lost his sense of humor. Billy, I do not have a copy of the constitution sitting beside my breakfast plate so I can check every day to see who is harming the constitution today. My life has more parts that that. I apologize for losing my temper, but I've had enough. Yes, my right to freely post HAS been attacked. You won't get to twist my words at me or hold me responsible for what other people say any more. I deleted your ammo dump.  I am and have been a patriot in ways that would make your jaw drop, but since the players are still alive I can't say more. I don't care for the "real patriots,"and "real citizens" stuff because it implies, by extension, that there are fake patriots and fake citizens if they don't agree with every word you say. No, I don't care for the name calling and swearing and many of you have toned it down a lot.
    I do believe that if states want to have gun registry they should have it, so what. Billy, the whole country is not Elk County nor is it all rural, the rest of us do deserve some consideration too. I got snapped at because I told the truth about how I felt about Hershey and Westmoreland AT THE TIME. You don't want to know how I felt about McNamara! I had information that none of you had and  never will. As far as Jane's snappy comment about what did Westmoreland tell me personally? Nothing from him personally, but don't ever count me short on who I did know, do know, and who I did have information from back then. Washington is not that far from here. Blue thumb tacks anyone?. I've already said too much.
What M and M said to me was totally uncalled for.They have no idea who I am but that was just plain mean! They meant for it to hurt and it did. I'm over it and I will come back swinging if I must.
To a couple of you I suggest you move to a Commonwealth. There are four of them. Even though it doesn't mean much anymore, I think the way you feel you'd be much happier there because of what is written in the old paperwork. So call me the devil if it makes some of you feel better. I really don't care any more. Why ask me about Wilma? She and some of the others can very well speak for themselves. As far as "thin skin", that's a two way street. Lump it !

[Catwoman]

This is really sad.  I have been reading all of these posts...On a couple of other threads, as well...

I don't blame Diane for how she feels.  I may disagree with some of what she posts, but then I disagree with some of what the rest of you post, as well...I don't post my views on any of your relative levels of intelligence because I happen to know that MY rights end where your rights pick up...It's called being civilized...You know...That intangible that differentiates us from the rest of the animals?  Personal attacks have no place on a public forum such as this.  Acting so base, common and petty should be beneath all of you as adults.  Schoolyard attacks, such as what I have been reading, are ridiculous at any age but especially so, coming from supposed adults.  If you want to argue states' rights, constitutional validation issues, etc., then do so in a colleagial manner...Just the facts...Leave the "your ugly and your momma dresses you funny" crap out of it.     

[Diane Amberg]

Cat, I agree and can easily agree to disagree when needed. I'm sorry I lost my temper, but enough is enough. I will cut 'way back on my posting.

[flintauqua]

This is really sad.  I have been reading all of these posts...On a couple of other threads, as well...

I don't blame Diane for how she feels.  I may disagree with some of what she posts, but then I disagree with some of what the rest of you post, as well...I don't post my views on any of your relative levels of intelligence because I happen to know that MY rights end where your rights pick up...It's called being civilized...You know...That intangible that differentiates us from the rest of the animals?  Personal attacks have no place on a public forum such as this.  Acting so base, common and petty should be beneath all of you as adults.  Schoolyard attacks, such as what I have been reading, are ridiculous at any age but especially so, coming from supposed adults.  If you want to argue states' rights, constitutional validation issues, etc., then do so in a colleagial manner...Just the facts...Leave the "your ugly and your momma dresses you funny" crap out of it.     

Cat,

I was about to "go off" with both barrels and probably tick off all but a few on here, but for now I'll just add what I had written to my "ammo" folder and try to play nice.  However, if those who don't agree with my right to have an opinion that is different from theirs keep throwing ever larger stones, they WILL get hit with a very large boulder from me.

Charles

[Catwoman]

Shoot...As long as the boulder falls on your foot first and gives you the biggest bruise, then fling away!