Thumbs up for Arizona and Constitutional rights

[Diane Amberg]

Flint, I admire your gumption. And not a foul word in the lot.
Steve, I suspect you are, like many, are getting most of your information from conservative TV (do you have a TV?) and  perhaps radio, but I just don't get the sense of military dissatisfaction that you do. I have no doubt there is some, there always is, no matter who the President is. But I think the numbers are not so big. They are over there, or wherever doing their job. I doubt that defending the constitution from their own commander in chief is high on their list. If that got out they could be dealt with most severely, IMHO. I know some guys who are home to stay now and they sure don't talk that way. I know we still disagree on some things, but thank you for moderating the way you write. I really do appreciate it. I don't tend to trust a lot of what is said for the cameras in those town hall meeting, and I mean on both sides.They aren't genuine anymore because it's too easy to put ringers in and again I do mean on both sides. We have a telephone version on the health care issue going on here tomorrow night. ( Larry, there is more than one but I'll give you a hug for that one, keep looking.)

[srkruzich]

We is the people that hold the constitution dear to our hearts and if we have to toss them, we will set it right by putting in people that will conform to the constitutions requirements. 
I don't fear government, I do not trust government.  That is why Government is chained down by the constitution.  Only when Government attempts to usurp power that it was not granted, do i fear its capabilities to overthrow the people.  IF you can't get them under control peacably, then force will be necessary.

No one is bullying you charles.  At least i haven't.  I am a libertarian so i am neither right or left.

srkruzich, your words from yesterday in "Marine Speaks out at town Meeting"

this congress had better wake up.  With the military on our side we have the ability to toss them out of office with force if we have to!

Who exactly is "we"?

I get it, you fear government, all government.

You know what I fear - EXTREMISTS. 

I fear people who clamor for anarchy as much as I fear people who want pure totalitarianism.  I fear pure unfettered capitalism as much as I fear pure communism. 

And out of the roughly 250,000,000 people that live in this great nation of ours, a nation that you seem to hate, I believe alot more of them are closer to my political mindset, than they are to yours.

I'm not posting in these threads to try and convert you, and other extremists, to my viewpoint. 

I will not be bullied off of this forum again.  I will continue to voice my opinion so that those in the center know there are viewpoints being expressed that aren't ultra anything.

From the Center,

Charles

[srkruzich]

Flint, I admire your gumption. And not a foul word in the lot.
Steve, I suspect you are, like many, are getting most of your information from conservative TV (do you have a TV?) and  perhaps radio,

No i don't have a tv and my radio only gets 1 station and thats kote.

but I just don't get the sense of military dissatisfaction that you do. I have no doubt there is some, there always is, no matter who the President is. But I think the numbers are not so big. They are over there, or wherever doing their job. I doubt that defending the constitution from their own commander in chief is high on their list.

I have three sons in the military and all 3 are leaving.  The reason is there is a conflict between this admins policies and upholding their oath to protect the constitution.
And if you think that they do not have the constitution as their highest priority, your sadly mistaken.  SOme might not, but the majority do. 
You are fixing to start seeing many servicemen leaving in droves as soon as their 8 years are up. 

If that got out they could be dealt with most severely, IMHO. I know some guys who are home to stay now and they sure don't talk that way. I know we still disagree on some things, but thank you for moderating the way you write. I really do appreciate it. I don't tend to trust a lot of what is said for the cameras in those town hall meeting, and I mean on both sides.They aren't genuine anymore because it's too easy to put ringers in and again I do mean on both sides. We have a telephone version on the health care issue going on here tomorrow night. ( Larry, there is more than one but I'll give you a hug for that one, keep looking.)

Well i know several marines and they aren't at all worried about being dealt with.  Their oath protects them.

[Varmit]

     Billy, the whole country is not Elk County nor is it all rural, the rest of us do deserve some consideration too.

  Billy, you just gave me a good example. Maybe this will help you understand me.  I made a STATEMENT about the whole country and Elk Kansas being not being rural. In no way did I attribute that statement to you. No quotation marks, nothing. So why did you find it necessary to say that you didn't make that statement? Well, duh....I think most readers would know that I made it, not you.            

Actually, Diane, if you look at the sentence structure of the first statement of yours that I posted, you make the implication that I said Elk county is the rest of the world.  As a teacher you should know this.  With the use of the comma after my name you direct this sentence at no one else, with your useage of the word "too" you imply that I have not considered the rest of the country.  

Nobody, including me has said there is anything wrong with keeping tabs on the Go'vt. We all should, but you and a few others seem to be totally obsessed with it. You and I are both entitled to have our opinions, but some of the stuff that gets written on here really worries me.                          

You are right Diane, when it comes to my freedom I am obsessed with keeping tabs on those who are trying to take it away.  Some of the things that get written on here worry me as well, espcially when it comes from so-called moderates.

Just recently there was one that said something, after a tape, about now that the military is on "our side" we can take over or some such. I don't have the direct quote. You don't think that would worry some people who read that?

Not if they had read the entire post.  If they did they would have seen that srkruzich said "...if we need to."

I should have known that some people must have defended their right to stay ignorant about such things back in school. I would just like to know if someone would please tell their children's teachers when to stop waisting their time so they can use that time for math or something else.

Again, I'll go back to the reading comprehension and sentence structure comment I made earlier.

  I wasn't prepared to have to defend myself at any time on any thread from anyone who said,"When did I say".... that was new to me. It must be a middle America thing. When I joined, that kind of thing just wasn't happening.Then the world changed, and so did this forum. Using "when did I say"....   is a clever tactic to divert way from the real issues that were being discussed and is meant to put the other writer on the defensive, IMHO!

I am not trying to divert attention away from anything.  However, when you make an implication that I said something at least have the gumption to back it and be able to point out when I said it.  

. Now, I'll try something your style.   Back in that other post, when did I say there was anything "wrong" with keeping and eye on the Govn't?

How else would you interpt this comment...

  Billy, I do not have a copy of the constitution sitting beside my breakfast plate so I can check every day to see who is harming the constitution today. My life has more parts that that.

Some of you seem to be advocating a violent over throw of the standing GOV"t that the MAJORITY of the country elected.                               

No one at any time has advocated that. Some have said to vote them out, but not overthrow.

I suspect you are, like many, are getting most of your information from conservative TV (do you have a TV?) and  perhaps radio, but I just don't get the sense of military dissatisfaction that you do. I have no doubt there is some, there always is, no matter who the President is. But I think the numbers are not so big.

I would suggest that you do a little research on the group "Oath Keepers", it may suprise you.

They are over there, or wherever doing their job. I doubt that defending the constitution from their own commander in chief is high on their list. If that got out they could be dealt with most severely, IMHO.

It may have changed since I took it (I doubt it, but maybe) but my oath clearly stated "...to defend the Constitution, against enemies both foreign and domestic."  I know it was high on my list.

[redcliffsw]

Steve, you're in the "center" and you remind me of Captain William A. Wash, of the  60th Tennessee Mounted Infantry CSA (Southern), writing in his memoirs about his time served as a prisoner in the Yankee (northern) prison at Johnson's Island, OH.

"On the first day of June, 1864, there came to my address the first number of the Courier des Etats Unis, a French paper published in New York, for which Lieut. Tobey, of Arkansas, and myself had subscribed, and in reading which we whiled away many happy hours together. Lieut. T. belonged to our French class, and was one of my warmest friends and most constant companions. Though he was born and reared in the State of Maine, he was as true as the truest to our cause, entertaining liberal and conservative views about all subjects. I did not then, nor do I now, think much more of the Southern radical "fire-eater" than of the Northern radical republican; both overdid the fair thing."


Stay right in there.

rc

[Diane Amberg]

Billy, and this is addressed to you and at you and about you, you don't know as much about English as you think. Pick away all you want. It won't bother me any more. Have at it. Sometimes when others have posted before I respond, I do add the name of the person to whom I am speaking, so there is no confusion as to the person I am addressing. If you honestly think everything is all ABOUT instead of to you, you are sadly mistaken and more self centered than I thought. I'd been trying to talk about issues, but you won't allow that. So the gloves are off. Ya wanna attack the person instead of the issues at hand? You don't wanna accept my opinions as just that, my opinions?....have at it.

[Varmit]

Holy Crap, talk about the pot calling the kettle black!!!   You haven't addressed the issue of this thread since it started.  And just for the record, at least in this thread, YOU came at ME first, chick, so you can stick your comment about attacking people!! 

[pamsback]

  Here's an idea..........move on already. Diane is a pretty smart person from what I can tell from readin her.....She just don't agree with all of what yall say. Yall ragged her till she twisted off on you....a lot more politely than I would have  and now you're actin all innocent like "what did I do?" Cracks me up.........

[Diane Amberg]

Billy, and I do mean you. I had my poke at you and I won't participate in who shot whom first any longer. Besides, Mom always liked me better than you any way!      I'll still state my opinions from time to time and you can do what you want with them.

[Teresa]

and now you're actin all innocent like "what did I do?" Cracks me up.........

That runs real deep both ways Pam........ I've about listened to all the "Poor me" whining I can stomach... and I'm certainly not standing by myself in this area... So lets just agree that you can stand on your side with your "smart" people.. and the rest of us will take our sides.. whichever they will be....

Now... as far as the little snide crack of being "self centered"............?? well.........

Just for the record .......... Billy is about the least self centered person I know..

Now!! I think it is apparent the feelings in here.....so since that is on the table I suggest we get this thread BACK to the topic at hand or I will lock the damned thing!

And yes Diane... I said Damned... 

Oh yeah flint... EXTREMISTS??  Trust me.. Our whole government is made up of EXTREMISTS!!  Far left socialist America destroying extremists...  And I don't FEAR the government... I loath them....... for what they are trying to do to this great country...