Obama's Health-Care Bill

[redcliffsw]

Anmar-
After all the years since the Civil War, we still see the many effects of Reconstruction.
Socialism is stronger than ever.   Even though you claim to be a descendent of
Jefferson Davis, you are a good example of the reconstruction by the northerners. 

The local police or fire are not examples of socialism although neither should never accept
or use Federal funds or grants.  The public school system is an example of socialism and it
was mandated by the north upon each Southern states during reconstruction as a
requirement to re-admittance to the Union.  It was the sociialists' desire to teach the
young folks thru the public school system that their Confederate fathers were wrong to have
seceded from the Union and thereby indoctrinating them with Federalism and stronger central gov't.

Ma'am, you reflect the success of the Yankee and socialist indoctrination.  It's no wonder that
you desire the USA to become more like other countries.

[flintauqua]

Red,

What exactly do you have against grants?  I know your position on the size and scope of the Federal government, and your positions on states rights.  And, my position is not as far from yours as you might think.  

However, until something changes, how is rural America ever supposed to get any of our Federal income and excise tax dollars back. Would you rather have a $200 + water bill every month, or have our small towns and rural water districts use USDA and CDBG loans and grants to pay for the capital expenditures (treatment plants, towers and pipe) that otherwise would not exist. Or would you have us all go back to drinking from hand dug wells and rain cisterns.

Do you think small towns and rural America would have electricity, land-line and/or cell phones, cable and/or satellite internet if Federal tax dollars weren't being used behind the scenes to make it possible to build and maintain the infrastructure that makes it all possible for the small number of people served.

Or watershed dams, paved roads, half-way decent bridges, natural resource conservation programs.  These are OUR tax dollars coming home instead of getting gobbled up by urbanites that never paid the income taxes in the first place.

Please, tell me your thoughts on how, until we can somehow get our taxes reduced, we would ever get our tax dollars back, to be put to use for US, here in rural America.

Charles

[sixdogsmom]

Ohhhh Noes! We just can't use federal monies for (gasp)

                      Progress!

[srkruzich]

Why are you so against Federal funds or grants?

The price is too high to pay.  Anytime Govt says their here to help there's a ton of strings attached and usually some freedom is lost.

[flintauqua]

Why are you so against Federal funds or grants?

The price is too high to pay.  Anytime Govt says their here to help there's a ton of strings attached and usually some freedom is lost.

I'm tired of generalizations.  I want specifics.

Can you please explain how using, for example, USDA Rural Development money to lay new water lines or build a new treatment plant encroaches on your rights?  I would like to know exactly what you are thinking would be in the "strings", because I know what the strings are, I have read all the documents involved, and have been an "authorized signator" for federal grant applications.

Charles

[srkruzich]

Why are you so against Federal funds or grants?

The price is too high to pay.  Anytime Govt says their here to help there's a ton of strings attached and usually some freedom is lost.

I'm tired of generalizations.  I want specifics.

Can you please explain how using, for example, USDA Rural Development money to lay new water lines or build a new treatment plant encroaches on your rights?  I would like to know exactly what you are thinking would be in the "strings", because I know what the strings are, I have read all the documents involved, and have been an "authorized signator" for federal grant applications.

Charles

Fed moneys give the feds a loophole to come in and dictate how local and state governments operate.  For example, back in late 70's the feds came in and dictated that all states who recieved any federal money for highways must lower speed limit to 55 mph.  That is a state right not a fed right.  The way the feds got around the 10th amendment was to attach a  waiver of states right to get the funds.  Same thing goes for any federal monies.  by accepting money from the feds the state or township agrees to allow the feds into the business of the locals. 

I can get a grant to start a business. But in doing so i have to allow the feds to dictate what i do in my business. Not going to happen.  Not worth the price they exact from me.  Its simpler and I can run my business the way i wish to run it if i pay for it out of pocket and not accept grants or loans from teh feds.

All grants and all loans made by the feds come with all kinds of strings attached. 

[flintauqua]

Would requiring a business permit, or rabies tags for your dog count as strings to you?  Or are those things okay because they are local government regulations.

[srkruzich]

Would requiring a business permit, or rabies tags for your dog count as strings to you?  Or are those things okay because they are local government regulations.

your talking about local regulations which are not federal. 

Secondly business permit and rabies tags aren't grants or money being doled out by the feds.

Third, i am not for any government interference in our lives.  Rabies tags do not stop rabies.  And a man does not need permission to make money.   So why is there a need for a permit to make money.

Like i said before, i qualify for government grants, and government loans to start a business.  Its Not worth it because of who you have to sell your soul to to get it.

[flintauqua]

Third, i am not for any government interference in our lives. 

anarchy - 1. the complete absence of government 2. political disorder and violence; lawlessness 3. disorder in any sphere of activity

From Websters New World Dictionary of the American Language, 2nd College Edition, 1986

[Varmit]

anarchy - 3.  a theory that regards the absence of all direct or coercive government as a political ideal and that proposes the cooperative and voluntary association of individuals and groups as the principal mode of organized society.

From Dictionary.com Unabridged
Based on the Random House Dictionary, © Random House, Inc. 2009.

I seriously doubt that srkurzich is advocating a complete and total breakdown of our society.  I believe he, like many others in this county, is tired of the federal gov't overstepping its bounds and trying to tell us how to run our daily lives. 

You asked about strings attached to grants..how about the gov't giving states that are close to bankruptcy money and then telliing them that they can't use that money to pay off their debts.  That it has to be used to expand social economic programs that the state can't afford in the first place.  Or, for example, when businesses accept money from the gov't they are required to hire a certain percentage of minorities instead of people the business wants to actually hire.