Americans

[pamsback]

I am NOT going to sit on here and type things that I wouldn't say to a persons' face

Fine neither do I.

i don't "jump" I disagree. That's my freedom of speech. Maybe everybody ought to stop yammerin about "my freedom of speech" meanin their own.

I don't expect you to agree with me so DON'T expect me not to DISagree with you.

I am retiring from this crap.

[frawin]

Frawin-
It's my opinion that conservative forum members do honor the flag and do so, during the national anthem too -
(however, O' did not).

As for the POA, that's a different matter as you might have discovered.

Red, that was my point exactly,

[Varmit]

Flo, I agree with you.  Too many of our younger people don't know what "living the pledge" means.  Or maybe they don't know the meaning of the word "allegiance".  Allegiance means helping your drunk buddy get home safely, and not dragging his sorry butt through the mud on the way.

So if we speak out against gov't wrongs and tryanny we don't have allegiance to our country?  To me, the POA isn't about government it is about the Country. 

[Varmit]

sorry you all missed my point.  It's not just saying the pledge of allegience to our Flag, it's living the pledge itself.  Pledging allegience to the Republic for which it stands, altho I guess nit-picking at everything the government does is nothing new, but holy cow, once in awhile I would like to read something good instead of something "found" on the internet to knock it - - Indivisible (that seems to be something nobody cares about anymore) - - Justice for ALL and now I'm out of here, AGAIN, and sorry for opening my mouth.

Okay, can you please show me how the current adminstration is doing this?  How is inciting class warfare on an economic basis supporting the Indivisible principle?  How is allowing tax cheats to go unpunished, or granting illegals amensty, or firing corporate CEOs and I.G.s serving Justive for all? 

[Warph]

I would love a pure American made flag. It is a shame and disgrace that most companies sell the ones made in china. 

Steve.... Google "American flags made in America" ... quite a few sites pop up for flags made in America.... Warph



Lawmakers: 'Old Glory' Should Be Made in America

The House says that flags flown on federal property should be made in the U.S.A.
By LIBBY QUAID Associated Press Writer
WASHINGTON July 14, 2008 (AP)

The American flag has many labels: Stars and stripes. Old Glory. And sometimes, made in China.

Congress can't halt the flow of Chinese-made flags, but lawmakers can try to control where they are flown. The House declared Monday that any flag flown on federal property should be made in the U.S.A.

"It's not a major problem facing the nation," admitted Rep. Bob Filner, D-Calif. "But it's an irritant."


Chinese-made flags seemed to pop up everywhere after the Sept. 11, 2001, terror attacks. People rushed to show their sense of patriotism by buying American flags, and U.S. manufacturers couldn't keep up with demand.

Foreign imports of American flags, worth around $1 million annually at the time, surged to nearly $52 million in the weeks that followed.

Then as demand subsided, lawmakers took action, requiring the Defense Department to buy American-made textiles and the Veterans Affairs Department to use American-made flags for burials.

And in the city where Congress meets, only U.S.-made flags fly over the nation's Capitol.

Still, more than 8,000 other federal buildings — courthouses, post offices, border stations, office buildings, among others — are under no such obligation.

Filner, chairman of the House Veterans Affairs Committee, wanted to force the government to buy only American-made flags. "But we were told that this mandatory stuff runs into trade agreements," the eight-term congressman said.

That is because the U.S. has gone to great pains to hammer out trade deals with other countries and can't impose new limits after the fact.

His solution was a nonbinding "sense of Congress" resolution that cleared the House on Monday. It doesn't have any teeth, he admitted, but it's a start.

In the meantime, state governments are beginning to weigh in. A new law in Minnesota says all flags sold in the state must be made in the U.S., with violations subject to a fine of up to $1,000 and jail time of up to 90 days. The industry says similar measures have cropped up in Pennsylvania, Ohio and Florida.

[Wilma]

Flo, I agree with you.  Too many of our younger people don't know what "living the pledge" means.  Or maybe they don't know the meaning of the word "allegiance".  Allegiance means helping your drunk buddy get home safely, and not dragging his sorry butt through the mud on the way.

Quote from Billy:
So if we speak out against gov't wrongs and tryanny we don't have allegiance to our country?  To me, the POA isn't about government it is about the Country. 

I had a question about the Pledge of Allegiance so I looked it up.  The pledge is to the flag and to the "Republic" for which it stands.  It does not say country.  The definition of "republic" is a form of government  Therefore, when you repeat the pledge of allegiance, you are pledging allegiance to the government for which it stands. 

[kshillbillys]

A republic is a state or country that is not led by a monarch,[1][2] in which the people (or at least a part of its people)[3] have an impact on its government.[4][5] The word 'republic' is derived from the Latin phrase res publica which can be translated as "public thing".

[redcliffsw]

Here's one to think on..........

"All that was fought for in 1776, the War Between the States, World
War I and World War II, is lost, we lost our Republic at Appomattox"

[Varmit]

Repbulic as defined by dictionary.com

1 - a state in which the supreme power rests in the body of citizens entitled to vote and is exercised by representatives chosen directly or indirectly by them.

So, they way I see it, when you say the POA, you are swearing allegiance to the people of the country, because that is who decides who our represenatives will be.  You are not pledging to the gov't, but the people, as in We The People.

[Wilma]

But the people are the government.