Joe Legal vs. Joe Illegal

[Talone29]

Ok, well i been reading through this, and my reaction is mixed.  cause both sides of this rigamorow is making points that i agree with, but also some points that i don't agree with.  I'm all for getting rid of the illegal alien problem, and i'm sorry but if you are here illegally, i don't care if your brown, red, black, yellow, white, green, or bright pink, your ass gotta go.  We got enough problems in this country without people who snuck in and live off the system with no intention of paying it back.  i have been on public assistance and i ain't ashamed of it, cause i worked my ass off when i could.  no when illegals get public assistance and i was told that i didn't qualify cause i made more than 200.00 a week severlye pissed me off.  anyone who has a newborn and a family to support knows that 200.00 a week wasn't enough.  now as far as all this business with the debate about "white people" and native americans.  yes the Indians did get a raw deal, they had their land taken from them because of the tactics and weapons used by the english, and then got penned up on the cruddiest piece of the land that the english could find, and said "Now don't you leave you hear."  We see in the news about the different races getting reparations and about oppression.  The oppression about native americans is still bad, but it gets swept under the rug.  Where would we be if the english hadn't come to this country.  Well chances are alot of us would't be here, cause they ain't no thing anymore as a full blooded american.  We all got all different kinds in the wooodpile stacked up.  So i am getting really tired of the cry about race superiority, cause even the most devout white supremacist probably got a black person, or a mexican, or an indian somewhere swinging from the tree.  Now if i have offended anyone that was not my intention.  But i want you all to keep one very important thing in mind.  This is America.  The first ten rules of the U.S. Constitution is called the Bill of Rights, and while i can't recite all of the m right now, i do know that ain't nowhere that it says you have the right to never be offended. We are all entitled to our own opinions, but it is a privelege, and you should not feel that you should take someones right to an opinion away because they don't agree with you.  Now if you don't want anyone to have that basic right, then maybe you should be the one who gets the freak out of Dodge.

[kshillbillys]

Pamsback,
The longer I sit here and read this the madder Maxine and I get. All  I have to say to Pamsback, I would like to know where you would be today if it were not for the "white american's. I guess what we have to say to you, is if you do not like it go live in some other country . . . . .

I'll jump in here and defend my daughter.  Where would she be if it were not for the "white American's"?  She'd be happy living among her own people, the Cherokee, the NATIVE AMERICANS.

So are you 100% NATIVE AMERICAN with NO OTHER ethnicity in you? Or are you like ALMOST all of us on this forum, Heinz 57 mutts? I KNOW i'm a MUTT cuz I was accused of BARKIN up the wrong tree on another post!

[Wilma]

Talone29 is our newest member and after reading his/her post, I agree specifically with one statement. "....even the most devout white supremicist probably got a black person, or a Mexican or an Indian somewhere hanging from a tree".  Excuse me, that should be "swinging", not hanging, though hanging is just as appropriate.

[Maude]

Correct me if I am wrong but Flo you are telling us that you and your husband are full Cherokee? That would the only way your daughter could be a full blood NATIVE AMERICAN.
Maude and Maxine- Heinz 57's

[pamsback]

Pamsback,
The longer I sit here and read this the madder Maxine and I get. All  I have to say to Pamsback, I would like to know where you would be today if it were not for the "white american's. I guess what we have to say to you, is if you do not like it go live in some other country . . . . .

I'll jump in here and defend my daughter.  Where would she be if it were not for the "white American's"?  She'd be happy living among her own people, the Cherokee, the NATIVE AMERICANS.

So are you 100% NATIVE AMERICAN with NO OTHER ethnicity in you? Or are you like ALMOST all of us on this forum, Heinz 57 mutts? I KNOW i'm a MUTT cuz I was accused of BARKIN up the wrong tree on another post!

Maude and Maxine.....I don't think your opinion really matters that much to me. Your anger means nothing to me.

Mom....Thanks, luv ya

kshillbilly......bite me. I don't know you and I'm pretty sure I don't want to.

I happen to know Talone and he is a pretty good guy. In fact my mother knows him too so be careful what you ask for hillbilly.

Now if you all can manage to keep your mouths off my family....as I said before...I"M TAKIN A BREAK....so go play amongst yourselves.

[kshillbillys]

I don't remember asking for anything from anyone. Maybe the fact that on the welcome thread I said he/she should post more. The "be careful what you ask for" statement just because someone "knows" you and your mother sounds a little threatening to me.

I live at 205 W. 4th in Longton, Kansas, USA.

I have done nothing to you. Don't know you either and don't care. No one's opinion means anything to you, but in your welcome thread you said you like to read other peoples perspectives.

My husbands grandparents were from the Tahlequah area, Cherokee card carriers. My husband will tell anyone, he's a WHITE RED BLOODED AMERICAN with several backgrounds, just like me. My husband says there ain't enough Indian blood in him to drive a pissants ass around a peanut shell. Just goes to show that people don't have to have hardly any Indian blood in them to have an Indian card.

[srkruzich]

Well chances are alot of us would't be here, cause they ain't no thing anymore as a full blooded american. 

I don't know about you but I am 100% full blooded American!   I was born here.  I am just as American as the native Americans.

[srkruzich]

What makes a person Native?  Being born here!  So yes i am 100% native American

So are you 100% NATIVE AMERICAN with NO OTHER ethnicity in you? Or are you like ALMOST all of us on this forum, Heinz 57 mutts? I KNOW i'm a MUTT cuz I was accused of BARKIN up the wrong tree on another post!

[Talone29]

I don't know about you but I am 100% full blooded American!   I was born here.  I am just as American as the native Americans.
[/quote]

Right, but i think you missed my point.  I'm not saying that anyone born here or a legalized citizen of these United States isn't a 100% American.  I'm saying that it is pointless to base it on the purity of your blood be you native american, english, spanish, dutch, german, russian, or any other ethnicity because it's not what you bleed that makes you american, it's your belief in a free system of government, the belief that every man, woman, and child that is a citizen of this great nation has the right to the pursuit of life, liberty, and happiness, the american dream, all that jazz.  I stand here not to argue with any of you, but to say that we as a nation are confused.  One of our biggest problems is that we spend way to much time bickering with one another because we don't all share the same opinion and we think that we need to change other peoples way of thinking so that it matches our own.  I know there are millions of people who don't agree with me on Religion, Politics, Family values and a whole host of other topics.  But God grant me the strength to change the things i can, the patience to accept the things i can't, and the wisdom to know the difference between the two.  Maybe if we all lived our own lives according to what we believe, and not try to make everyone else live according to what you personally believe, we could get this banana boat turned around and going in the right direction.  but to think you can base anyones rights on the purity of their blood is incredulous.  Everyone who is a citizen of the USA is a 100% full blooded american regardless of ethnic background.

[pamsback]

I'm going to give this one last shot........I do/did not threaten anything. I don't threaten period. My point was Talone will give you his opinion whether you like it or not so if you don't want it don't ask. At least 50% of them are going to piss you off just as bad as I do.

I DO like to hear other peoples opinions on ISSUES...their opinion of me personally means squat to me. Whether they are MAD at me or not means squat to me. You have YOUR subject YOU are passionate about...I have mine.

I don't care about anybodies blood quantum of anything. Being a card carrier doesn't make you Indian.

I live at 240 Tiger Paw Lane in Stella Mo. I'm FROM Severy. Come visit anytime.

My statement about what makes somebody entitled to be American was an attempt to make some people see the ridiculousness of some things. It got blown WAY out of proportion and turned into a personal attack.


I have a VERY low tolerance of closed-mindedness...I admit it freely. I got pissed. I'm not apologizing for it. It happened.
I am seriously not going to be here after this so do your damndest to twist this around into something other than it is.
There are a LOT of people on here I truly respect and LIKE. I have learned a lot....Now I have to go do some OTHER things. As I said, I will be at Moms sometime this summer....yall come visit when I am.

By the way I TOTally agree with Talones last post.