Joe Legal vs. Joe Illegal

[Teresa]

Joe Legal vs. Joe Illegal

Here is an example of why hiring illegal aliens is not economically productive for the State of California

You have 2 families..."Joe Legal" and "Jose Illegal". Both families have 2 parents, 2 children and live in California.
"Joe Legal" works in construction, has a Social Security Number, and makes $25.00 per hour with payroll taxes deducted...."Jose Illegal" also works in construction, has "NO" Social Security Number, and gets paid $15.00 cash "under the table".

Joe Legal...$25.00 per hour x 40 hours $1000.00 per week, $52,000 per year.

Now take 30% away for state federal tax
Joe Legal now has $31,231.00

Jose Illegal...$15.00 per hour x 40 hours $600.00 per week, $31,200.00 per year
Jose Illegal pays no taxes...
Jose Illegal now has $31,200.00

Joe Legal pays Medical and Dental Insurance with limited coverage $1000.00 per month $12,000.00 per year
Joe Legal now has $19,231.00

Jose Illegal has full Medical and Dental coverage through the state and local clinics at a cost of $0.00 per year
Jose Illegal still has $31,200.00

Joe Legal makes too much money is not eligible for Food Stamps or welfare Joe Legal pays for food $1,000.00 per month $12,000.00 per year
Joe Legal now has $ 7,231.00

Jose Illegal has no documented income and is eligible for Food Stamps and Welfare Jose Illegal still has $31,200.00

Joe Legal pays rent of $1,000.00 per month $12,000.00 per year Joe Legal is now in the hole minus (-) $4,769.00

Jose Illegal receives a $500 per month Federal rent subsidy
Jose Illegal pays rent $500.00 per month $6,000.00 per year Jose Illegal still has $25,200.00

Joe Legal now works overtime on Saturdays or gets a part time job after work.

Jose Illegal has nights and weekends off to enjoy with his family.

Joe Legal's and Jose Illegal's children both attend the same school. Joe Legal pays for his children's lunches while Jose Illegal's children get a government sponsored lunch.

Jose Illegal's children have an after school ESL program. Joe Legal's children go home.

Joe Legal and Jose Illegal both enjoy the same Police and Fire Services, but Joe paid for them and Jose did not pay.

Its PAST time to take a stand for America and Americans!

[Catwoman]

You have just given a fantastic, detailed description of why we need the Foreign Worker status to be official...At least, that way, we would be able to collect taxes before they shipped all of their earnings back to Mexico.

[sixdogsmom]

I agree CW, we should have a guest worker program. Now, how do we handle the illicit drug import business?

[pamsback]

legalize it and tax the hell out of it.

[Tobina+1]

Be careful, Pam... I tried that line of thought on a post one time and people started looking at me funny and stopped talking to me!   

[indygal]

Hey, I still talk to you, Tobina! (even if I do still look funny at you! LOL But hey, I probably look funny TO you as well!)

[pamsback]

Be careful, Pam... I tried that line of thought on a post one time and people started looking at me funny and stopped talking to me!   

LOL....well it's true anyway  if some guy is sellin drugs and the government is takin most of his profit for taxes he's NOT gonna be that interested in doin it anymore. Sides that people been lookin at me funny from the get-go so.......LOL

[Varmit]

We cannot have a guest worker program or begin to stem the flow of drugs without first securing our borders.  But just as the last two presidents have proven, that is not going to happen.

[redcliffsw]

Billy, I'm thinking you're right about that.

By the way, the gringos have been living off gov't programs and gov't money for years.
If we never had created these social programs in the first place, nobody would be
participating in them.

[pamsback]

Stem the flow of drugs...................I just have a question...can ANYbody think of ANYthing that has been stemmed by makin it illegal? I mean seriously.........talk about an exercise in futility......Prohibition worked so well too........They made prostitution illegal how many hundreds of years ago...that's worked out well.....gambling is illegal except for casinos......nobody ever bets on anything do they??

C lose the borders......the mexican border is almost 2000 miles long....the canadian border is almost 9000 miles....how do you propose we "close" them? If you close the canadian the only way to alaska is one road? water? How you gonna get that oil from Alaska? It comes thru Canada, don't think they might shut their part off for spite?

Make it illegal...close it...cut it off....why doesn't somebody ever come up with a POSItive way to change things? Makin it illegal has worked SO well so far whatthehellever............................