Tiller

[Dee Gee]

Go Teresa, tell them how the cow eats the cabbage.

[Catwoman]

Teresa, my momma always said...Church is supposed to be a hospital for sinners...Not a resthome for saints.  YOU GO, GIRL!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Diane Amberg]

 Dee Gee, I'm not familiar with that saying. I can guess what the cow does AFTER it eats the cabbage though.

[dnalexander]

I see I share some thoughts with others on organized religion. We tend to bend it to our desires. My church, my God, and my spiritualism I find where I am at. I don't need a building. Not that there are not many good things about the people and church down the street I find spiritual and rewarding.

David

[mtcookson]

I'm not talking about a church's rule... I'm talking about what is said right in scripture like the following (this is the story about Paul telling the church they need to remove the incestuous man at their church due to it being such an immoral act, him being with his father's wife, and speaks of the pagans not even doing such an act... and the reason I use this story is because it fits so well with this particular situation in that Tiller is killing these babies and is even doing late term abortions which most liberals don't even agree with...):

1 Corinthians 5

1 It is actually reported that there is sexual immorality among you, and of a kind that does not occur even among pagans: A man has his father's wife. 2 And you are proud! Shouldn't you rather have been filled with grief and have put out of your fellowship the man who did this? 3 Even though I am not physically present, I am with you in spirit. And I have already passed judgment on the one who did this, just as if I were present. 4 When you are assembled in the name of our Lord Jesus and I am with you in spirit, and the power of our Lord Jesus is present, 5 hand this man over to Satan, so that the sinful nature may be destroyed and his spirit saved on the day of the Lord.

6 Your boasting is not good. Don't you know that a little yeast works through the whole batch of dough? 7 Get rid of the old yeast that you may be a new batch without yeast—as you really are. For Christ, our Passover lamb, has been sacrificed. 8 Therefore let us keep the Festival, not with the old yeast, the yeast of malice and wickedness, but with bread without yeast, the bread of sincerity and truth.

9 I have written you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral people— 10 not at all meaning the people of this world who are immoral, or the greedy and swindlers, or idolaters. In that case you would have to leave this world. 11 But now I am writing you that you must not associate with anyone who calls himself a brother but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or a slanderer, a drunkard or a swindler. With such a man do not even eat.

12 What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside? 13 God will judge those outside. "Expel the wicked man from among you."


When I was talking about repenting, I don't believe they mean to repent to the church but to God for their sins. That's at least my understanding of it.


If you have a problem with scripture saying that is what should be done... that's just something you're going to have to take up with God (not trying to sound harsh/mean or whatever, just saying). If you think that's bad though you should look into predestination. I fully believe in predestination as there is so much scripture that clearly points to predestination. A lot of people have a problem with that concept, especially when you look at it in the sense of God already chose who is going to heaven and who is going to hell before time.

[mtcookson]

Back on Tiller... I find this article very interesting. (bold sections are sections I thought especially interesting...)



http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=100053

Ann Coulter

49 million to 5

In the wake of the shooting of late-term abortionist George Tiller, President Barack Obama sent out a welcome message that this nation would not tolerate attacks on pro-lifers or any other Americans because of their religion or beliefs.

Ha ha! Just kidding. That was the lead sentence – with minor edits – of a New York Times editorial warning about theoretical hate crimes against Muslims published eight months after 9/11. Can pro-lifers get a hate crimes bill passed and oceans of ink devoted to assuring Americans that "most pro-lifers are peaceful"?

For years, we've had to hear about the grave threat that Americans might overreact to a terrorist attack committed by 19 Muslims shouting "Allahu akbar" as they flew commercial jets into American skyscrapers. That would be the equivalent of 19 pro-lifers shouting "Abortion kills a beating heart!" as they gunned down thousands of innocent citizens in Wichita, Kan.

Why aren't liberals rushing to assure us this time that "most pro-lifers are peaceful"? Unlike Muslims, pro-lifers actually are peaceful.

According to recent polling, a majority of Americans oppose abortion – which is consistent with liberals' hysterical refusal to allow us to vote on the subject. In a country with approximately 150 million pro-lifers, five abortionists have been killed since Roe v. Wade.

In that same 36 years, more than 49 million babies have been killed by abortionists. Let's recap that halftime score, sports fans: 49 million to five.

Meanwhile, fewer than 2 million Muslims live in America and, while Muslims are less murderous than abortionists, I'm fairly certain they've killed more than five people in the United States in the last 36 years. For some reason, the number "3,000" keeps popping into my head.

So in a country that is more than 50 percent pro-life – and 80 percent opposed to the late-term abortions of the sort performed by Tiller – only five abortionists have been killed. And in a country that is less than 0.5 percent Muslim, several dozen Muslims have killed thousands of Americans.

But the killing of about one abortionist per decade leads liberals to condemn the entire pro-life movement as "domestic terrorists." At least liberals have finally found some terrorists they'd like to send to Guantanamo.

Tiller bragged about performing 60,000 abortions, including abortions of viable babies, able to survive outside the mother's womb. He made millions of dollars performing late-term abortions so gruesome that only two other abortionists – not a squeamish bunch – in the entire country would perform them.

Kansas law allows late-term abortions only to save the mother's life or to prevent "irreversible physical damage" to the mother. But Tiller was more than happy to kill viable babies, provided the mothers: 1) forked over $5,000; and 2) mentioned "substantial and irreversible conditions," which, in Tiller's view, apparently included not being able to go to concerts or rodeos or being "temporarily depressed" on account of their pregnancies.

In return for blood money from Tiller's profitable abattoir, Democrats ran a political protection racket for the late-term abortionist.

In 1997, the Washington Post reported that Tiller attended one of Bill Clinton's White House coffees for major campaign contributors. In addition to a $25,000 donation to Clinton, Tiller wanted to thank him personally for 30 months of U.S. Marshals' protection paid for by the U.S. taxpayer.

Kansas Democrats who received hundreds of thousands of campaign dollars from Tiller repeatedly intervened to block any interference with Tiller's abortion mill.

Kathleen Sebelius, who was the governor of Kansas until Obama made her health and human services secretary, received hundreds of thousands of campaign dollars from Tiller. Sebelius vetoed one bill restricting late-term abortions and another one that would have required Tiller to turn over his records pertaining to "substantial and irreversible conditions" justifying his late-term abortions.

Kansas Attorney General Paul Morrison also got elected with the help of Tiller's blood money, replacing a Republican attorney general who was in the middle of an investigation of Tiller for various crimes including his failure to report statutory rapes, despite performing abortions on pregnant girls as young as 11.

But soon after Morrison replaced the Republican attorney general, the charges against Tiller were reduced and, in short order, he was acquitted of a few misdemeanors. In what is a not uncommon cost of doing business with Democrats, Morrison is now gone, having been forced to resign when his mistress charged him with sexual harassment and corruption.

Tiller was protected not only by a praetorian guard of elected Democrats, but also by the protective coloration of the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America – coincidentally, the same church belonged to by Tiller's fellow Wichita executioner, the BTK killer.

The official Web page of the ELCA instructs: "A developing life in the womb does not have an absolute right to be born." As long as we're deciding who does and doesn't have an "absolute right to be born," who's to say late-term abortionists have an "absolute right" to live?

I wouldn't kill an abortionist myself, but I wouldn't want to impose my moral values on others. No one is for shooting abortionists. But how will criminalizing men making difficult, often tragic, decisions be an effective means of achieving the goal of reducing the shootings of abortionists?

Following the moral precepts of liberals, I believe the correct position is: If you don't believe in shooting abortionists, then don't shoot one.

[pamsback]

  I don't think you are goin to find one person on here who will say what that guy was doin was right in any way shape or form. I believe what he was doin put the wheels of his destiny to turnin but what part of two wrongs don't make it right do people not get? Killin him is makin the wheel turn for the guy who murdered him. There is absolutely nothin on this earth that can make ANY of this turn right. Killin causes killin which causes killin...................

   I don't believe in predestination. Sayin that God already determined you are gonna go to hell just because no matter what kinda negates the whole works as far as I would be concerned.

[kshillbillys]

Thank you for that post Mark. I found it very interesting as well. I would say much more but I've already been told all about my hate infested soul and don't need to get into that again! But thank you. Ann Coulter makes excellent points!

[Diane Amberg]

Um, ok....how many  of us are killed by drivers in vehicles each year? I'll bet some were even of my faith, and yours. Muslims and abortionists? Vehicle drivers and ________________fill in the blank of your religious choice.  Some Muslims are bad people.  Some abortionists (even thought it's legal) are bad people, but to somehow link them, to me is inflammatory, on purpose.

[srkruzich]

I think the biggest sticking point with me about his church is they allowed him to be an usher.  To allow someone to preform any service in a church when they are committing horrendous acts is saying they condone his actions.  

Allow the sinner in the church to hear the message but never allow them to serve until their right with God.