TEACHER SLAMS OBAMA

Anmar · May 30, 2009, 01:24:13 PM

Quote from: srkruzich on May 30, 2009, 04:33:26 AM

Jehovah is but one name. El, God, Redeemer, I am, and any number of over 650 names that he posseses. He has many unique names of which all are listed only in scripture.

Bar 'elah is one of my favorite names Elah is one of his names too

yes yes all true. Sorry for not taking the time to list all the names. Many of the different names come from the translation of the original hebrew bible. I should have said the most commonly used named for God was Jehovah. But as you notice, as time changes, the way people speak change. If you look back at the documents that were posted, even the Conneticut document, god is constantly referred to as "Our Lord." They don't call the it God, as the declaration of independance does.

Finally, let me reiterate. Religion, God, Christianity, Our Lord, Redeemer, Judiasm, El, Elah, Bar 'Elah does not appear in any place during the constitution with 1 exception, which can be found in article 6, which states;

"no religous Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States"

Diane Amberg · May 30, 2009, 05:09:15 PM

The Jewish God has no name. There are "substitute" names so that conversation can occur. But God has no written or spoken name. I know that is weird and hard to understand. All the names we know would be called substitutes.

srkruzich · May 30, 2009, 05:24:01 PM

Quote from: Anmar on May 30, 2009, 01:24:13 PM
Quote from: srkruzich on May 30, 2009, 04:33:26 AM

yes yes all true. Sorry for not taking the time to list all the names. Many of the different names come from the translation of the original hebrew bible. I should have said the most commonly used named for God was Jehovah. But as you notice, as time changes, the way people speak change. If you look back at the documents that were posted, even the Conneticut document, god is constantly referred to as "Our Lord." They don't call the it God, as the declaration of independance does.

der the United States"

Sorry anmar but your wrong. It does.

I am quoting the preamble is part of the constitution. You cannot separate the documents. Notice in the section i copied over, God is capitalized. The only time God is capitalized is when it is in reference to the jehovah.

IN CONGRESS, JULY 4, 1776
The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America

When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

srkruzich · May 30, 2009, 05:28:08 PM

Quote from: Diane Amberg on May 30, 2009, 05:09:15 PM
The Jewish God has no name. There are "substitute" names so that conversation can occur. But God has no written or spoken name. I know that is weird and hard to understand. All the names we know would be called substitutes.

Sure he does.

He has names all kinds, but the one name in which you refer to doesn't mean he doesn't have a name, it means that the pronouciation of it has been lost.

srkruzich · May 30, 2009, 05:33:19 PM

Remember too that when moses talked to him in the burning bush, God identified himself as I Am!

Diane Amberg · May 30, 2009, 05:45:58 PM

I expect the Rabbis would disagree, but its not important. Now about not separating the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution. What did you mean? They were written some 11 years apart.

srkruzich · May 30, 2009, 07:12:45 PM

the articles of confederation the declaration and the bill of rights all make up the whole of the document.you can't have one without the other.

Anmar · May 30, 2009, 10:28:04 PM

Quote from: srkruzich on May 30, 2009, 05:24:01 PM

Sorry anmar but your wrong. It does.

I am quoting the preamble is part of the constitution. You cannot separate the documents. Notice in the section i copied over, God is capitalized. The only time God is capitalized is when it is in reference to the jehovah.

IN CONGRESS, JULY 4, 1776
The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America

When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

This is the declaration of Independance, not the constitution. I'm actually right. But again, the mention of the word God doesn't imply christianity. Notice how they didn't say christianity, they say Laws of Nature and Nature's God. Once again, a group of christian men intentionally using general terms in order to avoid specifying a religion.

Varmit · May 31, 2009, 08:43:12 AM

Anmar, to a degree you are right. Because the Founders were christian men, they specificaly left out any mention of a specific religion.

"It cannot be emphasized too strongly or too often that this great nation was founded, not by religionists, but by Christians; not on religions, but on the Gospel of Jesus Christ. For this very reason peoples of other faiths have been afforded asylum, prosperity, and freedom of worship here."
Patrick Henry

Diane Amberg · May 31, 2009, 10:07:00 AM

Steve and Billy both, I know this will be a hot button and I may be flayed because of it, but to me there is some right and some wrong with what you both have been saying. Steve, the Declaration and Constitution most certainly can be separated. The Declaration is just that, an announcement. It doesn't tell us how to be governed or how our government should be. It just tells Great Britain to "butt out, we are going to govern ourselves. "The Constitution tells us how. The Christian God is not mentioned, and the use of the capital G meant as in a force,natures God. They avoided the use of the Christian God, because not all the founders were Christian men. They weren't atheists either. They believed in a beginning force of some kind, but felt that from that point on self determination ruled. Some of Jefferson's original words in the "All men are created equal" statement were changed because the word "independent" was there and some people didn't want it. I'd have to look up the exact wording change. Jefferson, in particular, with his bent on science was a religious skeptic. It was quite common then and as long as they all agreed on a separation of church and state, which they did, it didn't matter. Some were very Christian in their thinking, but not all as is sometimes portrayed. Patrick Henry was allowed to say what he wanted, but it wasn't quite accurate. Some did not even believe the Bible was anything more than an interesting book and because of religious freedom, it didn't matter. They might have been called "Deists," but I'd have to look it up when I have more time.