TEACHER SLAMS OBAMA

[Kjell H.]

We see these letters from time to time, and we check to see if they are true or not (and rightly so).  When one is found to not be what it is represented  from the actual writer and we talk about how good it is and too bad it didn't really happen. But "someone" wrote it. Someone, somewhere wrote it, so when it is an expressed opinion, that is when we should look at the content.
Why don't we write letters like this?  Just because a school teacher didn't do it does that mean that a retired cop and radio personality, a freight shipper, a rancher, a tv producer, a funeral director, a machinist, a shooting instructor, a contractor, etc. couldn't address the same issues publicly? All I am saying is, this letter had great and thought provoking content. Don't discount what is said, because the name is not right.

[Anmar]

If someone wrote it, and they intentionally lie about who wrote it, issues should be raised about their intentions.

Whats wrong with putting there own name on it?  Was it written just to stir people up and to be used as a rallying cry? 

Why do people just follow others blindly?

[Roma Jean Turner]

Srkruzich.....very informative.  I had not heard of some of that.  Thanks for the post.

[Diane Amberg]

Can we please change the title then, since a teacher apparently didn't write it? She will not be getting a raise as someone stated. Perhaps "A Slam to Obama "or "Obama Slammed" since we don't know for sure who wrote it?

[Anmar]

Obviously your teacher didn't teach you that the constitution was modeled after "The Fundamental Orders of Connecticut

January 14, 1639"  Link to this order is here...http://www.law.ou.edu/ushistory/orders.shtml

Secondly the framers were christian men, and they did follow a biblical path to forming the constitution. First of all it was model after a New testament church in its design.  I can post that model later if you wish.

Third here are the reasons why most christians believe this country was founded on christian principles.

The U.S. Constitution is based on the earliest State Constitutions, which in turn, are based on documents in the early colonial era that are based on documents drawn up by the first settlers which are recognized as covenants.[12]

In the Bible all of God's dealings with man take place with covenants: solemn agreements between God and man.[12]

"Only two nations in history have been governed by constitution — the ancient Israel and the modern America. Those are the two nations that are based on this Biblical idea of covenant contract constitution." - Rabbi Daniel Laplin[12]

They Mayflower compact is one of 100 such documents that predated the constitution. One of the most significant forerunners was The Fundamental Orders of Connecticut, written in 1639, based on a sermon by the great Puritan Minister Thomas Hooker. It was the first complete constitution written on American soil. It states, in part, ". . . We enter into combination and confederation together to maintain and preserve the liberty and purity of the Gospel of our Lord Jesus which we now profess . . ." In 1787, George Washington ordered that it be copied so every delegate at the Constiutional Convention could have a copy of Connecticut's state Constitution because it was so powerfully done, so effective a document, he wanted it to be a reference work for the Federal Constitution they were about to create.[12]

The Constitution is also predicated on the Declaration of Independence which states the why of our government and calls on God's witness as a covenant. Our Constitution is a nice tidy document with a preamble and a few articles. The framers signed the document, because according to Donald S. Lutz of the University of Houston, their Biblical roots taught them that there should be a list of names at the end of the document, because there must be parties to a covenant.[12]

"The idea of Federal government is derived from the Christian tradition. The word Federal comes from the Latin word for covenant: 'foedus.'" - Donald S. Lutz[12]

The word "election" grew out of the Calvinist doctrine of election, designed for a virtuous people to help identify who among them was the most virtuous, those who were most likely to be among the elect, those who were most likely to be saved.[12]

Our unique checks-and-balances system of government would never have been conceived through secularism. For example, the 3 Branches of Government is based on Isaiah 33:22. The separation of powers is based on Jeremiah 17:9. Tax exemption of churches is based on Ezra 7:24.[33]

"Our Constitution was written by Christian men with a Biblical world view. It cannot be traced back to the secular European Enlightenment, but rather to the Christian covenants and compacts developed by the Pilgrims and the Puritans and their spiritual descents and they looked to the Bible for guidance." - Dr. D. James Kennedy[12]

"America is the longest ongoing constitutional republic in the history of the world." - David Barton[12]

There's so much in here to respond to, i had to wait until i had a few hours to type this message.  I'll go ahead and tackle them 1 at a time.

First, I agree that the constitution was based on various state constitutions that existed at the time.  It should be noted the the primary auther of the constitution was James Madison.  I'll touch on that later.  The articles you listed were not the constitution of the state of Conn, instead they were mandates that were derived from the BRITISH system of laws, you know, those guys that we revolted from.  If you actually read the text, you'll find that none of it even resembles anything thats in the constitution or the declaration of independance.

Second, about the framers being christian men.  Yes I concede the point.  But isn't it interesting that all these christian men got together to form a government and implicitly wrote that the USA is NOT a christian nation.  It's been written countless times in numerous documents.  I posted one a few months ago, and i can post it again.  If the founders, being christian themselves, wanted the US to be a christian nation, they would have written it into the constitution. 

Now about that guy who actually wrote the thing, Madison.  Madison was a pretty religous guy, his law specialty was defending preachers who were arrested for preaching without a license from the Anglican church.  When he wrote the Virginia constitution and the US constitution in such a way to ensure that people had the freedom of religion.  He was the one responsible for dissasociating Virginia from the Anglican church.  Furthermore, one of the founders, Patrick Henry, wanted to require all citizens to belong to a church congregation.  His ideas were squashed, with Madison at the front of those efforts.  Obviously, it was the majority opinion of the founders that religion has no place in the government.  That is one of the things they were trying to get away from when they declared independance from England.

Next you start talking about Covenants, and how this was based on that, yadda yadda.  A covenant is just another word for agreement, sorry to burst your bubble.  Second, the logic that the constitution was based on the writings of the first colonists is laughable.  The first colonists were English subjects, under the rule of the crown.  They were also religous zealots.  The founding fathers didn't really share their beliefs and hated that idea of being being like those early colonists.  They did everything they could to shake the English, and their governance, off. 

Then you quote some Rabbi, saying that the US and Isreal are the only nations government by a constitution?  there must be some mistake in your quote because that is definatly not true.  I'm gonna hold off judgement on this one because there must be some mistake, you can't really be saying that, can you?

Then you talk about Hooker, a guy who was thrown out of England for his preachings.  It's arguable whether the document he wrote was in fact a complete constituion, but for the sake of argument, i'll agree with you.  Now, Washington had copies made and distributed it to everyone, great.  Guess what, even after recieving the document and reading it, the founding Fathers DID NOT INCLUDE RELIGOUS LANGUAGE IN THE CONSTITUTION.  In other words, they ignored it.

You follow that with more language play, see above for what covenant means, you also mistranslated the latin word, "foedus"  it means treaty or league.  I guess it could also mean covenant, but you keep insisting that the word covenant implies christianity, it doesn't.

Then you claim that Election was started by the Calvanists,  Sorry, it's a greek tradition that was started many centuries before the birth of Christ.  Have you ever been to Washington DC?  do you notice that the architecture on most of the buildings is greek?

Ok whats next, bible quotes, my favorite.  Isiah 33:22 is a good one, but it says King.  Americans hate kings.  Jeremiah 17:9 says that the heart is decietful, not sure where that one came from.  Ezra 7:24 says that you can't tax the church.  Now the founders never said anything about not taxing churches, but we don't tax non-profit organizations.  Hey look, they were sure to not specify the christian religion.  Once again an entire group of christian men who ignored christianity when writing some laws.

Your Kennedy quote is just a combination of different things listed above, but then you throw in the real kicker.


"America is the longest ongoing constitutional republic in the history of the world." - David Barton[12]

First of all, Barton is famous for putting his foot in his mouth.  Most of his books misquote the foudning fathers and he's had to issue several retractions over the years.  Second, He's obviously not really into history, because American is an Infant when it comes to republics.  Venice holds the current title with 1100 years.  The greeks had some for of rupublic or other for nearly that long.  The Roman Republic lasted nearly 600 years. 

Let me end by saying that i know you didn't come up with any of these statements yourself.  It's pretty easy to just open a website, copy some things out of it and paste it on these forums.  It takes a lot of work for me to come out and prove everything you posted to be incorrect.  I even had to go across the street and talk to my neighbor about the constitution.  (she's a professor at the university here and i think she was there when they wrote it)

Do us all a favor and don't just post stuff that you see on the internet.  More than half the stuff flying out there isn't true and most people don't have the time to run around checking things out.  So think for yourself and investigate for yourself.

[redcliffsw]

How can I know that all things mentioned on your above posting are true too?

[sixdogsmom]

Red, please refer to the last line in the previous post!

[srkruzich]

IN CONGRESS, JULY 4, 1776
The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America

When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.



Specifically they referenced God in the declaration, and God is the name of the judaeo/christian God.  

[Anmar]

God is not the name of the Judeo Christian God, that would be Jehovah.  God means God, and just about every religion believes in some form of God.

[srkruzich]

God is not the name of the Judeo Christian God, that would be Jehovah.  God means God, and just about every religion believes in some form of God.

Jehovah is but one name. El, God, Redeemer, I am, and any number of over 650 names that he posseses. He has many unique names of which all are listed only in scripture.

Bar 'elah is one of my favorite names Elah is one of his names too