Mandatory Volunteers???

[Jo McDonald]

Well, for pity's sake. 
   Parents knowing what their children is doing is no different from many years ago.  When you give birth to a baby, you commit yourself to raising and protecting that child.  Where in the world are you people coming from? You give birth - raise the child -- teach them right from wrong - make sure they do what is right, NOT wrong,  and follow through on your teachings.  If they do get off the path, punish them, stop all of this crap about big towns, small towns.. holy buckets, a baby is born innocent - it is fed, diapered, and hugged and kissed --- just like it was from the beginning of mankind.  Where in the hell do you justify  big city, small town?? 
    Give birth -- raise child -- teach correct behavior, manners, respect for others, obey the law, and trust in the good Lord for all the guidance that HE has to offer. 

I cannot believe all of the excuses that are posted on this forum.  Raise your own kids -- they did not ask to be born --- take care of them and quit using every excuse in the book to account for why they turned out bad.  Good Grief!!!

That is it for the evening  - I am out of here.

  Jo

[Varmit]

Jo, I don't think that anybody is making excues, just comparing the similarities and differences in enviroments.  I happen to agree with you though.     

" Give birth -- raise child -- teach correct behavior, manners, respect for others, obey the law, and trust in the good Lord for all the guidance that HE has to offer."-JoMcDonald 

[dnalexander]

Jo you made my point. It is parenting not big city small town. I have lived in all types of big towns small towns. Spent a fair amount of time in Elk County, read the forum here, talked to my family that have been back to Howard more recently than I. I think if we were all sitting around in Winn's Cafe(some of you will know why I chose that place) in Howard drinking coffee we would find we all agree. I think it has lost something in translation here on the forum.

David

[Teresa]

  Raise your own kids -- they did not ask to be born ---

ahhhhhhhhh... but we DID ask to be born...........( You know that mama)....

[Jo McDonald]

I stand corrected   ( head bowed down)   

[Teresa]

I took some time and really looked at this... I checked out the links I added too and I really have a lot I want to say.........but will first post this.....


HR 1388 or the Obama Youth Brigade Bill - UPDATE - by Duane Lester
Mar 26th, 2009 -
http://www.allamericanblogger.com/6886/hr-1388-or-the-obama-youth-brigade-bill-update/

Hitler knew that if you control the youth, you control the future.  I wrote about him in "The Threats to Homeschooling:  From Hitler to the NEA."  As I noted in that article, Hitler said:

"The Youth of today is ever the people of tomorrow.  For this reason we have set before ourselves the task of inoculating our youth with the spirit of this community of the people at a very early age, at an age when human beings are still unperverted and therefore unspoiled.

The Hitler Youth were started in the 1920s, and by 1933 numbered more than 100,000.  Hitler said his goal was a strong Germany.  In 1934, he told a crowd at a Nuremberg Rally, "regardless of whatever we create and do, we shall pass away, but in you, Germany will live on and when nothing is left to us, you will have to hold up the banner which some time ago we lifted out of nothingness.

In 1939, membership was compulsory for children over 17.  Its membership comprised 90% of the country's young.  In 1941, membership was mandatory for any child over ten.

There are former members of the Hitler Youth living today, including the current Pope.  One has to wonder what they think of HR 1388, the "Generations Invigorating Volunteerism and Education," which would create what some are calling the Obama Youth Brigade.

On Monday, the House passed it.  It is currently in the Senate, where enough Republicans are weak enough to vote for it.

The bill has more than a few reasons to create worry. 
http://www.redstate.com/hogan/2009/03/25/promoting-statism-in-the-name-of-service/

1. The bill will substantially increase the size and reach of an existing federal government program;

2. The bill will burden taxpayers with more than 5 billion tax dollars at a time when we should be cutting back, not spending more;

3. The bill will steer funding and volunteers for public service away from churches, individuals, neighbors, and others who would like to lend a helping hand and toward organizations selected by bureaucrats;

4. The bill is full of vague language and has insufficient safeguards to prevent left-wing special interest groups from using tax dollars to advance their agenda in the name of "community service;"

5. The bill risks politicizing charity and community service by funneling funds and volunteers toward the preferred organizations picked by ideologues;

6. The first 25% of this bill is really education legislation, and should be in an education bill at the state level;

7. The bill will compound the disincentives created by new limits on federal tax deductions for charitable giving, thereby decreasing the role of families, churches and other local organizations in their communities.

When you look at the details – one realizes that it's far worse than even that... more along the lines of full-scale indoctrination camps toward Statism. The legislation will, in many circumstances, force our children to participate in charitable activity as part of school – and that activity may well be chosen by or approved by a bureaucrat. The bill causes a federally chartered, Washington-based institution to, essentially, pick priorities and winners and losers in the charitable universe – undoubtedly putting many charities at a significant disadvantage...

Here's another disturbing part of the bill.  It directs a committee to look into mandating service, i.e. making it compulsory:

http://www.pressdemocrat.com/article/20090325/OPINION/903250315/1070?Title=CLOSE-TO-HOME-How-can-volunteerism-in-America-be-mandatory-

"The effect on the Nation, on those who serve, and on the families of those who serve, if all individuals in the United States were expected to perform national service or were required to perform a certain amount of national service.

(6) Whether a workable, fair, and reasonable mandatory service requirement for all able young people could be developed, and how such a requirement could be implemented in a manner that would strengthen the social fabric of the Nation and overcome civic challenges by bringing together people from diverse economic, ethnic, and educational backgrounds."

If the program is made mandatory, and it's hard to believe it won't be, it will mandate middle and high school students to 50 hours a year.  College students will be on the hook for 100 hours. And with this mandatory service, aka forced labor, comes some other restrictions on your liberties.  It prohibits religious activities.

http://www.thevoicemagazine.com/?option=com_content&view=article&id=512

The Bill would forbid any student in the brigade to participate in "engaging in religious instruction, conducting worship services, providing instruction as part of a program that includes mandatory religious instruction or worship, constructing or operating facilities devoted to religious instruction or worship, maintaining facilities primarily or inherently devoted to religious instruction or worship, or engaging in any form of religious proselytization." That means no church attendance or witnessing.

Again, is this what America voted for?

Here is part of the HR1388 Bill's wording:
SEC. 1304. PROHIBITED ACTIVITIES AND INELIGIBLE ORGANIZATIONS.

Section 125 (42 U.S.C. 12575) is amended to read as follows:
SEC. 125. PROHIBITED ACTIVITIES AND INELIGIBLE ORGANIZATIONS.

(a) Prohibited Activities- A participant in an approved national service position under this subtitle may not engage in the following activities:

(1) Attempting to influence legislation.

(2) Organizing or engaging in protests, petitions, boycotts, or strikes.

(7) Engaging in religious instruction, conducting worship services, providing instruction as part of a program that includes mandatory religious instruction or worship, constructing or operating facilities devoted to religious instruction or worship, maintaining facilities primarily or inherently devoted to religious instruction or worship, or engaging in any form of religious proselytization.





UPDATE:  The Senate passed the bill today.
Sens. Susan Collins and Olympia Snowe again voted with the Democrats to pass it.

[Teresa]

Let's see; plans for a National Security Force, a Youth Corps (Korps?), leaked memorandums identifying reputable citizens, military veterans, and critics of the Administration as possible dangerous dissidents...doesn't any of this sound even the least bit familiar to the American public? 

Or are we generally as uniformed as the man on the street interviews (that some of the TV talk show hosts use) indicate? 

Just wait until you see the list and types of questions on the 2010 census.
  If you are living in the city and are lucky.. a card carrying member of ACORN will be visiting your neighborhood.

Don't worry about your answers; if they don't fit the profiles that the Administration wants, the data will be modified.  ACORN was selected because the are not only friends of Obie but also known to have the required skill sets for manipulating information. 

I will only respond with 2 adults living in this house and one employed.  The Constitution allows for enumeration of residents but does not mention educational information, employment type, income, disabilities, abilities, or any other information mining these clones will be instructed to wring from you.  By the way, they do not have access to your house. The yard or driveway is just fine for a brief interview.


I get this sick all over feeling.............................

Good Morning Children...
Lets play who has the smartest Grandpa game:
Today we will see whose Grandpa know the MOST about the Federal Government.
and after lunch we will play the Whose Grandpa has the most guns game.. and there will be some really nice games and prizes... the Winner will get a Tee shirt with the Supreme Leaders face on the Front AND the Back.

Johnny, what does your Grandpa say about the Federal Government ?

[Teresa]

I was gone last week...
my punishment for not working at night in the hotel room after being at the range for 12 hours was 687 e-mails that I have to tend to.
( no ..not spam.. REAL e-mails.  )

I got this personal letter from a good friend who lives in a city. He sent it to several of his friends. I received it Monday and am just now opening it up . Since it touches on things that have been discussed in this forum, I would like to share it with you.

well, this is a day of hope and fear for me..

hope because i find my college age girl is AWARE of what is going on and does not like it... and reports to me tonite that her generation are not all lining up in the approved new order.

and fear for our system and our life as we have known it.. .and indeed that my precious children will be drawn into this... and may never know the life we have been so privileged to enjoy .

My daughter tells me several things tonight..
1. her boyfriends long arms are REGISTERED.. I said what, why, is he on parole.. ..she said no.. he lives over the county line,, and his county requires his Mossberg 12 and his AR -15 to be registered... even though he bought the shotgun here... where we can buy longarms at will...

2.  that she found a website , an Obama youth sort of thing...like the one We all discussed a while back which encouraged people to inform on those who use the internet to spread unfavorable views of the Administration
EXCEPT the one my daughter viewed ASKED the young members to LIST THE NAMES AND ADDRESSES OF PEOPLE THEY KNEW POSSESSED FIREARMS.. and the number and type if they knew it......INCLUDING THEIR PARENTS..
and Em said there were at that time over 200 PUBLICLY VIEWABLE responses.. ...Name ADDRESS and weapons in the house.

3. she told me of a Gov't advisory leaked by a stunned Michigan State Police Officer .. which described indicators that a person may be a domestic terrorist... including food hoarding.. and ...displaying a RON PAUL bumper sticker...

We spoke briefly... honestly, I did not know her views.. thought she was the usual young girl with thoughts all about boys , music, fashion... (How quickly they can change after being gone from home for awhile..)
One thing came of that conversation  was that we both understand.. as I hope you all do... that THEY DO NOT HAVE TO SEND TROOPS AND TANKS TO CONTROL the POPULATION~~~~~~~~~~~~
ALL THEY NEED TO DO is CONTROL THE FOOD DELIVERY SYSTEM.. ..

Few areas,, and certainly no densely populated areas now adays are at all capable of feeding their residents without the national network of highways and trucks bringing in food from afar.....or fuel for that matter.   Cold is endurable , but hunger is debilitating..

ON ANOTHER MATTER... the GOV't staged a "PHOTO OPPORTUNITY today... in NEW YORK CITY... supposedly for some glorious pride inspiring scenes.

It consisted of Air Force 1 and a fighter escort zooming low over the site of the 9-11-01  disaster... ostensibly to say ~~WE ARE NOT HUMBLED~~.. and I suppose one could see a point in that.

HOWEVER THE POPULATION OF NEW YORK CITY WAS NOT INFORMED and panic ensued in the streets..and buildings... it was nearly disastrous.... many  New Yorkers have not , and never will be the same , having gone thru what no Western nations population has in over 1/2 a century & 2 generations..

OOOPS We FORGOT TO TELL YOU ...or
a show of ........of WHAT ? 

I suppose it was it to be confidence inspiring.. "hey New York ...we are here, we got your back..."
or was it .......................
well you know...

reminds me of this movie....but .....never mind...you know that too..

[Diane Amberg]

People pretending to be police officers are risking trouble when they put stupid stuff on the Internet. This stuff winds up from 4th hand sources that can't be verified. Number 2 could easily be a predator or worse. Why would anybody be taken in by that?

[Teresa]

Diane.. you would be so surprised ( or maybe you wouldn't) at what we hear around the dinner table when we all get together after working . Last week we had lots of military men..Current  and veterans..LOTS of cops from all levels from undercover ( who couldn't have their pics taken) to street cops to private detectives to military cops.
You have no idea the wealth of information and stories you gather while listening to all of them tell about their adventures. Plus what is really going on out there and what to aware of..
I can't put a price on what I have learned this past year.

But yeah...............some people will buy into anything..