Cow, beef and pig tax

[bfrankjack]

No Wilma I don't.  But I did read, that way back that if you had a jackrussell on the farm and had his tail docked they couldn't tax him.  That meant he was a work dog.  Killing rats and such.  How about that?

[srkruzich]

srkruzich
Don't look like you are going to have to worry about the tax yet on your cow herd!  But if I was you I'd be watchin those chickens! (-:

Do you AI your 3 cows? 

I will be if i want purebred.  If all i'm after is beef i might just borrow a bull   Yeah i dont have to worry on the tax, just NAIS.  That if its forced on us will cost more than i can afford by the time you pay out for readers, tags, registration fees, report fees, and tax. 
But honestly i don't believe that the EPA will stop at the numbers they give. I'll be more inclined to believe that once they get control and do tax the larger producers, that they will go after the smaller mom and pop farms.  Too much money to be made off of us.

[bfrankjack]

Trying to stay with Subject of Cow/beef/pig tax.
You know they are throwing this in with so much other stuff cars/buildings/houses ect..! 
Greenhouse Gas Emissions Under the Clean Air Act
I think it's a little overboard with the livestock.  Eco System!!!!  Plants/Animals/Water they all need each other! RIGHT?!
This is like a 168 page document the last I checked. 
And no, I haven't read all of it.

[srkruzich]

Trying to stay with Subject of Cow/beef/pig tax.
You know they are throwing this in with so much other stuff cars/buildings/houses ect..! 
Greenhouse Gas Emissions Under the Clean Air Act
I think it's a little overboard with the livestock.  Eco System!!!!  Plants/Animals/Water they all need each other! RIGHT?!
This is like a 168 page document the last I checked. 
And no, I haven't read all of it.

Its nothing more than a big money grab.    THey gotta back off of us.

[redcliffsw]

Yeah, it's the money grab along with the control too.  It's kinda like you got to pay them to tell you how to do it.

[Teresa]

And if they would leave you alone... You can do it just fine.. and much better than if they get their paws in there.

((Had to stick my  in there..   )

[Tobina+1]

so why is it worth a 3-4 dollar per hundred weight to sell to japan under nais.

Again, I refer to my earlier clarification post.  NAIS has nothing to do with selling beef to Japan.  Period.  NAIS is for LIVE animal tracking from farm to farm to feedlot to packer.  It ends there.  USDA PVP/QSA Age and Source verification program (ran by a different arm of USDA than NAIS) is designed to keep track of birthdates on cattle so the beef can be verified to be under 21 months of age.  You can be involved in a PVP program and not agree with NAIS.  And you can voluntarily participate in NAIS and not qualify for PVP.
NAIS has been cussed and discussed on a Politics thread.  Everyone has a right to their own opinion;  I'd appreciate it if you didn't trash mine.

For this orginal post about the EPA tax (which is again has NOTHING to do with Japan or NAIS)... here is some information on where you can put your official comments (sorry, this is a little long):

ACTION   EPA DE FACTO TAX ON COWS AND HOGS
ISSUE:   
On July 30, the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) published an Advance Notice of Proposed Rulemaking to regulate greenhouse gas emissions from automobiles under the Clean Air Act.  If EPA finds that greenhouse gas (GHG) (carbon dioxide, methane or nitrous oxide) emissions endanger public health and welfare and should be classified as a pollutant, it will trigger the automatic application of other sections of the Clean Air Act.  This will have consequences for many sectors of the economy, including the direct regulation of agriculture under the Clean Air Act for the first time. 
One of the provisions that would automatically be triggered is Title V, which requires any entity that emits more than 100 tons of a regulated pollutant per year to obtain a permit.  USDA calculates that any agricultural operation with more than 25 dairy cows, 50 head of beef cattle or 200 hogs emit more than 100 tons and would be required to obtain a permit. (Other types of agricultural production would also be directly subject to or indirectly affected by the Title V permit requirement.)  AFBF submitted comments opposing the rule making and plans to file more detailed comments by the comment deadline.  A copy of AFBFs comments is attached along with talking points.

IMPACT: 
USDA statistics indicate that the permit requirement would include 99 percent of milk production, more than 90 percent of beef production and more than 95 percent of all hog production in the United States .  The permit fee varies from state to state, but for states using the EPA presumptive minimum rate this could amount to $175 per dairy cow, $87.50 per beef cattle and over $20 per hog.  This amounts to a de facto tax on cows and hogs. 

ACTION: 
The Advance Notice is open for public comment until November 28.  We are asking state Farm Bureaus to submit comments opposing the regulation of GHGs under the Clean Air Act.  We also ask state Farm Bureaus to get as many of their members as possible to submit comments opposing this rulemaking.  We have attached some information and materials to assist in this effort.  Submit your comments, identified by Docket ID No. EPA-HQ-OAR-2008-0318, by one of the following methods:

1.         www.regulations.gov: Follow the on-line instructions for submitting comments;

2.         E-mail: a-and-rDocket@epa.gov;

3.         Fax: 202-566-9744;

4.         Mail: Air and Radiation Docket and Information Center , Environmental Protection Agency, Mailcode: 2822T, 1200 Pennsylvania Ave. , NW., Washington , DC 20460 . In addition, please mail a copy of your comments on the information collection provisions to the Office of Information and Regulatory Affairs, Office of Management and Budget (OMB), Attn: Desk Officer for EPA, 725 17th St. , NW., Washington, DC 20503; or

5.         Hand Delivery: EPA Docket Center , EPA West Building , Room 3334, 1301 Constitution Ave. , NW., Washington DC , 20004 . Such deliveries are only accepted during the Docket's normal hours of operation, and special arrangements should be made for deliveries of boxed information.  Instructions: Direct your comments to Docket ID No. EPA-HQ-OAR-2008-0318.

Even though this deadline has passed, sometimes they'll open the comment period up for longer when it's a hot topic and they didn't do a good job of notifying people.

[srkruzich]

And if they would leave you alone... You can do it just fine.. and much better than if they get their paws in there.

((Had to stick my  in there..   )

Yeah no kidding.  I have raised enough livestock in my years to know when one is sick and what to do with it! Don't need some government weenie coming in telling me what he learned in some Government school

[srkruzich]

so why is it worth a 3-4 dollar per hundred weight to sell to japan under nais.

Again, I refer to my earlier clarification post.  NAIS has nothing to do with selling beef to Japan.  Period.  NAIS is for LIVE animal tracking from farm to farm to feedlot to packer.  It ends there.

Sorry tobina it sure does.  Japan won't buy beef without the NAIS.  The only incentive i have seen is that you get a 3 -4 dollar per hundred weight more if you participate in NAIS

USDA PVP/QSA Age and Source verification program (ran by a different arm of USDA than NAIS) is designed to keep track of birthdates on cattle so the beef can be verified to be under 21 months of age.  You can be involved in a PVP program and not agree with NAIS.  And you can voluntarily participate in NAIS and not qualify for PVP.
NAIS has been cussed and discussed on a Politics thread.  Everyone has a right to their own opinion;  I'd appreciate it if you didn't trash mine.

No one is trashing yours.  NAIS isn't what you have been led to believe.  IF NAIS Is so innocent a program why do they try to force it on us and it is not voluntarily. ALL that happened last year was APHIS backed off from making it a federal mandate that you had to be in it and got the states to make it mandatory.  Wisconsin is mandatory now, Michigan farmers were smart and sued the state and won for now. 

For this original post about the EPA tax (which is again has NOTHING to do with Japan or NAIS)... here is some information on where you can put your official comments (sorry, this is a little long):

ACTION   EPA DE FACTO TAX ON COWS AND HOGS
ISSUE:   
On July 30, the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) published an Advance Notice of Proposed Rulemaking to regulate greenhouse gas emissions from automobiles under the Clean Air Act.  If EPA finds that greenhouse gas (GHG) (carbon dioxide, methane or nitrous oxide) emissions endanger public health and welfare and should be classified as a pollutant, it will trigger the automatic application of other sections of the Clean Air Act.  This will have consequences for many sectors of the economy, including the direct regulation of agriculture under the Clean Air Act for the first time. 
One of the provisions that would automatically be triggered is Title V, which requires any entity that emits more than 100 tons of a regulated pollutant per year to obtain a permit.  USDA calculates that any agricultural operation with more than 25 dairy cows, 50 head of beef cattle or 200 hogs emit more than 100 tons and would be required to obtain a permit. (Other types of agricultural production would also be directly subject to or indirectly affected by the Title V permit requirement.)  AFBF submitted comments opposing the rule making and plans to file more detailed comments by the comment deadline.  A copy of AFBFs comments is attached along with talking points.

IMPACT: 
USDA statistics indicate that the permit requirement would include 99 percent of milk production, more than 90 percent of beef production and more than 95 percent of all hog production in the United States .  The permit fee varies from state to state, but for states using the EPA presumptive minimum rate this could amount to $175 per dairy cow, $87.50 per beef cattle and over $20 per hog.  This amounts to a de facto tax on cows and hogs. 

ACTION: 
The Advance Notice is open for public comment until November 28.  We are asking state Farm Bureaus to submit comments opposing the regulation of GHGs under the Clean Air Act.  We also ask state Farm Bureaus to get as many of their members as possible to submit comments opposing this rulemaking.  We have attached some information and materials to assist in this effort.  Submit your comments, identified by Docket ID No. EPA-HQ-OAR-2008-0318, by one of the following methods:

1.         www.regulations.gov: Follow the on-line instructions for submitting comments;

2.         E-mail: a-and-rDocket@epa.gov;

3.         Fax: 202-566-9744;

4.         Mail: Air and Radiation Docket and Information Center , Environmental Protection Agency, Mailcode: 2822T, 1200 Pennsylvania Ave. , NW., Washington , DC 20460 . In addition, please mail a copy of your comments on the information collection provisions to the Office of Information and Regulatory Affairs, Office of Management and Budget (OMB), Attn: Desk Officer for EPA, 725 17th St. , NW., Washington, DC 20503; or

5.         Hand Delivery: EPA Docket Center , EPA West Building , Room 3334, 1301 Constitution Ave. , NW., Washington DC , 20004 . Such deliveries are only accepted during the Docket's normal hours of operation, and special arrangements should be made for deliveries of boxed information.  Instructions: Direct your comments to Docket ID No. EPA-HQ-OAR-2008-0318.

Even though this deadline has passed, sometimes they'll open the comment period up for longer when it's a hot topic and they didn't do a good job of notifying people.

I posted my comment already but the EPA cannot possibly tax every cow without a database of every cow.  SOoooo that leaves only one thing that is almost in place.  NAIS. 

[bfrankjack]

srkruzich - POLITICS! NAIS is the subjet there!  She (Tobina) is right!!! (-:

It's like 8 pages!  Have a good read!

As far as Cow, Beef & Pig Tax maybe this should move over to Politics also.  That way we could keep them seperate?

Then maybe my little country pea brain could keep up (-: with the subject at hand!

Let's keep everybody on their toes and thinking!!!

(-: Happy Days in God's Country :-)