Cow, beef and pig tax

[srkruzich]

You're missin the forest for the trees,........

social security isn't from the government...it's from yourself by WAY of the government.
ditto with the stimulus check......
if you don't want to pay the US postal service use somebody else....send all your stuff UPS or FEDEX lol

Social Security is a government program.  Sure we paid into it because we had to.  It is the law.  If we hadn't been forced (by the governent) to pay into it, I wouldn't have enough income to live on now.  We would never have saved it.  Ditto the government sponsored IRAs.  If they hadn't been a huge tax reduction incentive, we would never had invested in them.

IF i had of had the 118,000 dollars i paid into social security, invested in the market, I would have well over a couple million right now.  As it is, the government Isn't going to return to me a fraction of that 2 million i would have had if i had not been forced to put my money into that program.

The stimulus checks are not from anything we owed the government as in an income tax refund.  Sure they come from tax money.  Everything connected with the government is from tax money.  Heck, the government is us.  We just have people that are paid to run it for us.

So what we are ranting about is ourselves.  Right?

I believe that the stimulus checks were a refund to those that paid taxes but it got given to everyone cause dems were screaming it was unfair. 

[srkruzich]

Seems like I read that SS was created to keep money in circulation in the economy since the other pension system was expiring.  Who knows, folks might have been better off without SS. 

Oh folks would be better off today if it were privatized and we could invest it in better income generating avenues.  As it is the govt can't keep up with this ponzi scheme. 

[Wilma]

If you paid that much into social security, then why don't you have a check big enough to keep you the way mine is keeping me?  I can assure you that I am not having to raise livestock, milk cows, gather eggs, grind my wheat and bake my bread to manage.

My husband and I have already drawn out of his account twice what you have paid in.

[srkruzich]

If you paid that much into social security, then why don't you have a check big enough to keep you the way mine is keeping me?  I can assure you that I am not having to raise livestock, milk cows, gather eggs, grind my wheat and bake my bread to manage.

My husband and I have already drawn out of his account twice what you have paid in.

because i only get 60% of my check.  But grinding my own wheat, milking my own cows raising my own livestock, i can get better food than i can buy in the store.  You can't get food that good anywhere but straight off the farm.  Secondly, I enjoy my animals, and growing things.  And when i get my greenhouse set up i'll be growing perennials to sell.  Why buy when you can produce.

You know if i draw 2 times what i put in that still nothing compared to what i would have if i had been allowed to invest it as i see fit. The only reason were not allowed to is the politicians would lose thier ace in the hole every election by scaring the seniors every time they start saying one party is going to cut the social security. 

You know it wouldn't do good things for the politicians if their constituants had control of their futures and social security.

[Lookatmeknow!!]

Ok, this topic has gotten way off base.  It started about the tax on animals, and we are now talking about Social Security.  I can see where the two fit, but I am just glad to live in a free country!!  Where I can at least speak my mind!!  Have you ever looked at your animals and thought how you got them??  Do you know who created you??  We have what we have because of one person and one person only and that is GOD!!  We should be thankful for having a roof over our head, food to eat, and most of all we are alive and get to see the wonderful things that GOD has created.  We have freedom of speech, and lots of other freedoms.  I don't get to excited about what the government plans to do.  I just take one day at a time.  More healthy for me that way.  I like the rights that I do have, and here in Elk county we are lucky.  For the most part, no one tells us how to do alot of things.  We only have to please ourselves.  We have that luxtury that most don't have!

So, I guess what I am trying to say is that we should feel lucky that we have what we have!!  I do.  Times are changing, not always for the best, but we have to take the good with the bad and embrace them both!  I have a business, and with the economy the way it is, it is really affecting us.  But we just do what we can to make the best of every situation.  I don't live in a mansion, but I do have food, water, and heat.  What more could a person ask for???

[Wilma]

What more could we ask for?

Your outlook on life, Angie.  Being happy with what we have instead of complaining about what we don't have and blaming someone else for it.  You sound a lot like your mother and grandmother.

[sixdogsmom]

Amen Wilma, Amen!

[pam]

Just found this....it's from the AP......imagine that PETA is backin it.....bigger bunch of goobers never existed than PETA, they are ridiculous. If they can't guilt you into bein a vegetarian they are gonna try to force it on you. Hate to be the one to break it to em..but that lettuce they eat was alive till somebody cut it's head off and murdered it. All those natural fiber clothes they wear were living beings before they were harvested to cater to their vanity  All those plants on those big vegetable farms only exist for their own selfish enjoyment  they only exist to die for their selfish survival 

I go vegetarian on occasion just for a changeup for my system...sometimes it's good for you. Balance people balance. I like steak with my salad!


MONTGOMERY, Ala. - For farmers, this stinks: Belching and gaseous cows and hogs could start costing them money if a federal proposal to charge fees for air-polluting animals becomes law.

Farmers so far are turning their noses up at the notion, which is one of several put forward by the Environmental Protection Agency after the U.S. Supreme Court ruled in 2007 that greenhouse gases amount to air pollution. Livestock emit methane, a key greenhouse gas tied to global warming.

"This is one of the most ridiculous things the federal government has tried to do," said Alabama Agriculture Commissioner Ron Sparks, an outspoken opponent of the proposal.


It would require farms or ranches with more than 25 dairy cows, 50 beef cattle or 200 hogs to pay an annual fee of about $175 for each dairy cow, $87.50 per head of beef cattle and $20 for each hog.

The executive vice president of the Wyoming Farm Bureau Federation, Ken Hamilton, estimated the fee would cost owners of a modest-sized cattle ranch $30,000 to $40,000 a year. He said he has talked to a number of livestock owners about the proposals, and "all have said if the fees were carried out, it would bankrupt them."

Sparks said he's worried the fee could be extended to chickens and other farm animals and cause more meat to be imported.

"We'll let other countries put food on our tables like they are putting gas in our cars. Other countries don't have the health standards we have," Sparks said.

EPA spokesman Nick Butterfield said the fee was proposed for farms with livestock operations that emit more than 100 tons of carbon emissions in a year and fall under federal Clean Air Act provisions.

Butterfield said the EPA has not taken a position on any of the proposals. But farmers from across the country have expressed outrage over the idea, both on Internet sites and in opinions sent to EPA during a public comment period that ended last week.

"It's something that really has a very big potential adverse impact for the livestock industry," said Rick Krause, the senior director of congressional relations for the American Farm Bureau Federation.

The fee would cover the cost of a permit for the livestock operations. While farmers say it would drive them out of business, an organization supporting the proposal hopes it forces the farms and ranches to switch to healthier crops.

[srkruzich]

"It's something that really has a very big potential adverse impact for the livestock industry," said Rick Krause, the senior director of congressional relations for the American Farm Bureau Federation.

The fee would cover the cost of a permit for the livestock operations. While farmers say it would drive them out of business, an organization supporting the proposal hopes it forces the farms and ranches to switch to healthier crops.

Now why in the world would i need permission from the Government to raise my critters.  Who died and made them God.
They can take their permit and shove it.

[Jo McDonald]

I would like to take every one of those city slicker idiots and put them in a feed lot with about 200 head of feeder cattle and just listen to them beg  to get out.  They are without a doubt the worst of the worse.