Cow, beef and pig tax

[srkruzich]

Do you raise and sell any of them for the income you live on?  Are you helping to feed the millions that are unable to raise their own? 

No thats what the big producers do, but their exempt from NAIS.  Thats the rub of the whole thing.  They don't have to register their herds or flocks.

Do you slaughter and butcher all the meat that you eat? 

Yes i do.  can't afford to have anyone do it for me and this year i get to learn how to butcher a pig.

Not everybody can and we have to depend on some else to assure us that what we are getting is healthy and clean.  I, for one, if I did have a beef herd would want the assurance that my neighbors herds are just as healthy and clean as mine are.

I can't sell anything butchered   Its against the law.  Secondly, the most common diesease showing up in our beef is ecoli. You can't stop that on the farm, thats directly caused by the processing which the USDA is SUPPOSED to inspect these shops for cleanliness, which isn't happening apparantly, and NAIS isn't going to stop that.

Why would any rancher NOT down a diseased cow or pig or any other animal.  It only hurts them in the long run to try and move it through the food chain.  I can understand missing one but how is NAIS supposed to stop that?  It doesn't.  All it does is track it back to their ranch and what the USDA will end up doing is destroying any livestock on that ranch as well as around that ranch.  It'll sure suck badly to be a neighbor of that ranch with a healthy herd cause you will lose it and will be shut down til you foot the bill for cleanup costs. 

I for one wouldn't want that on any neighbor.  The best way to keep your herd healthy is to run a closed herd.  Once you do that theres no chance of injecting disease into your herds.

[pam]

I had this discussion once many moons ago on here.............just for the record...NAIS is just one more way for the big guys to put the little guys out of business and make it so you CAN"T afford to raise your own any more. One more example of too much government where it don't need to be. Not interested in arguing about it...no1. it won't do any good, people who think it's a good idea think it's a good idea and won't change their minds till it bites em in the ass. no2. I'm not changin my opinion either. no3. I'm fightin it any chance I get.

[srkruzich]

I had this discussion once many moons ago on here.............just for the record...NAIS is just one more way for the big guys to put the little guys out of business and make it so you CAN"T afford to raise your own any more. One more example of too much government where it don't need to be. Not interested in arguing about it...no1. it won't do any good, people who think it's a good idea think it's a good idea and won't change their minds till it bites em in the ass. no2. I'm not changin my opinion either. no3. I'm fightin it any chance I get.

well i know this much, what big brother doesn't see big brother can't do anything about

[bfrankjack]

srkruich -

Some, what number is that? 10? 20? 100?
Lots? Guessing it is more than some? 200?
I do understand "A" horse.

Don't worry I'm not the government or work for a government agency.  I would just like to know.  It might help me and maybe others understand some of your thoughts. 

So on to the next question......

What the do you mean by "closed herd'?

[Teresa]

Hang in there  srkruzich . There are LOTS and LOTS out there that are on your side.. and agree with all you are saying. ( and the amount is growing)

One more foot in the door... one more freedom gone.

[Marcia Moore]

Who around here sells to Japan?  Creekstone Farms Packing Plant at Arkansas City ships beef to Japan and Korea on a daily basis.  I know this as fact, as a friend of mine is a USDA inspector there and has to fill out the paperwork for it to be shipped to those countries.  -- Tim

[srkruzich]

srkruich -

Some, what number is that? 10? 20? 100?
Lots? Guessing it is more than some? 200?
I do understand "A" horse.

Don't worry I'm not the government or work for a government agency.  I would just like to know.  It might help me and maybe others understand some of your thoughts. 
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24 goats, 3 cows, 1 horse, 150 chickens, dozen rabbits, 8 dogs, 1 llama, 4 pigs, 1 guinea so far.

So on to the next question......

What the do you mean by "closed herd'?

A closed herd is where you do not bring in any animal to replenish your stock.  You have enough breeders to supply you with your sales stock.
Once you close the herd you eliminate injecting disease into your herd.  You have enough genetic diversity in your breeders to prevent problems in the future.  You don't allow anyone access to your property without going through bio security to prevent disease from being brought onto your farm through transfer from clothing. 

Most folks that do closed herds do AI.  Thats a way to inject new DNA into a closed herd without risking exposure.

[srkruzich]

Who around here sells to Japan?  Creekstone Farms Packing Plant at Arkansas City ships beef to Japan and Korea on a daily basis.  I know this as fact, as a friend of mine is a USDA inspector there and has to fill out the paperwork for it to be shipped to those countries.  -- Tim

so why is it worth a 3-4 dollar per hundred weight to sell to japan under nais. It cost more or will cost more to register send all the forms and paperwork in once it is in place and forced on us.   Isn't 3-4 dollars per hundred weight worth keeping government out of your lives as much as possible?

[bfrankjack]

srkruzich
Don't look like you are going to have to worry about the tax yet on your cow herd!  But if I was you I'd be watchin those chickens! (-:

Do you AI your 3 cows? 

[Wilma]

I seem to remember a time when the county appraiser came to your farm, counted your cows, etc., listed your machinery, even listed your dog(s) and you were taxed on it.  Remember that?