NAIS

[Teresa]

Thank you for replying and for the websites Tobina.
Everyone always needs both sides of information on an issue to make a decision..

And we all must remember this.. Anyone who is outspoken and has a strong opinion of any issue will be the ones who catch the "heat"..
Those who set on the sidelines and never have an opinion one way or the other are the ones that are considered the "good guys".. because there is nothing to find fault about.. The cage rattlers are the ones who get termed all kinds of things.. ( But like Frank.. if I am offended, I brush it off.. speak my mind and go on about my business.. knowing that we all have different ways of looking at things.

As far as YOU personally  being on the end of ..........*quote*  accused of name calling and being naive and cuss words were used.*......
I apologize to you if you thought that was a personal attack. I am sometimes too much of a a "very to the point" person and on several occasions people have later come to me and ask.. were you mad at me? I always kind of takes me back somewhat.. as I am not at all directly attacking them on a personal level.. just the topics. But like I say, I am sometimes too blunt and aggressive for my own good.
So probably those that are like that need to rephrase our writings..because It wasn't anyones intent to point fingers at individuals.. only issues..

Again, I'm sorry.. and I will personally apologize to you about the paycheck thing. THAT wasn't meant as a slam , as you took it..

Example.. I get a potion of my income for supporting the gun and ammo industry. Even If I wasn't a gun owner and advocate.. (which I am  )  I would still not bash  the 2nd amendment and gun owners and the information leading to anything that was on the gun side of the board....because ... if you are smart.. you do not bite the hand that feeds you.
When you said you worked for...I just assumed..       sorry.. my mistake.... ( assume = ass /u/me )
but that is where I was coming from... 

Once again.. thank you for giving us the links to the information.
Yes.. mine were from a section of people forming a huge community that is NOT for the governments workings in general.
Regardless .. I think that we need websites and links on both sides of the coin to allow us to then make our decisions. We can all KNOW and discuss how we feel,, but without information.. it is all just feelings..
and I took from your post that you were done with THIS thread.. not the forum in general.. or at least I hope that is what you meant. You are an asset to this forum.. giving us information and viewpoints that are interesting and informative.   

[Teresa]

and this is going to ruffle some feathers...  but............. oh well.
Cussing or terms that isn't in perfect niceties.. is so very limited in this forum that I find it amazing that as grown adults.. in an adult forum.. that the few words that are used occasionally are put on a shelf with shock and disdain surrounding them.

Let those who are without any kind of wrong doing in the language dept. be the first one to cast a stone..   

[frawin]

Tobina, if I put out on the forum about my work I would catch a lot more guff than you did. I have worked in the oil and gas industy for 40 years and I still market oil and gas in 10 states. I see and hear people make comments all the time about the oil companies but I ignore it as I know they know very little about the oil markets and who controls them. When I go home to Howard I tell people I am a trash truck driver as I get more repect than I would if told them what I do. When people make comments that they don't want any goverment control I feel like saying I agree let's get rid of Social Security, Medicare, Law Enforcement, Meat Inspection, Food and Drug Administration (no control over medicines) the list could go on and on what people really want is control if it helps them and no control if it doesn't, that old saying, "IT DEPENDS ON WHOSE OX IS BEING GORED". With so many different age groups and other varied needs of people in this country we will always have people with different needs and always have laws and government programs that some like and some don't. Discussions and different opinions are important and healthy, if they are kept at a sensible tone and language, I am sure noone (Most especially Teresa) meant to offend you in anyway. It is obvious that Teresa likes a good in depth discussion and while she does get pretty vocal she doesn't mean it to be personal or offensive.
Frank Winn

[pam]

sorry if the cuss word offended somebody, I just talk that way and most people that know me don't pay any attention . And don't get me wrong the government isn't a total washout and I do vote so I'll have a right to gripe if I don't like what they are doin lol. And they stick their noses in everywhere but where they need to Can't see the forest for the trees so to speak. So, whatever if I offended anybody I apologize.

[Teresa]

hahahahaha     thanks Frank .. I had to laugh.... you are right in many areas...
My ox is gored lots of times and yep.. I don't like it much.. 

you know.. it is so funny in a way.. and here I go again. .. talking off the top of my head..
isn't it weird how we as a society , are so afraid to really get in there and talk and speak our mind for fear of "upsetting someone or their feelings"?
I am not talking about having a cat fight and directly calling names and getting hateful.. Or being disrespectful...  And I am not talking ABOUT anyone personally on a direct level  here.. It's  just in general... so don't anyone jump off the cliff on me here.

I am talking about how everyone tippy-toes around issues and people and is sometimes just afraid to upset the apple cart.
We see it every minute of every day as the world is getting more and more liberal with illegals, Muslims etc.. It is like....shhhhhhhh be careful.. we don't want to offend anyone with talking about our feelings and beliefs.   Shhhhhhh don't talk prayer.. don't talk God.. don't talk guns... don't talk race...etc etc etc...
Kinda makes me sick.

I realize I am ... as Frank said.. a person who likes good in depth discussions and yessss while I do get pretty vocal.. I really don't  mean it to be personal or offensive. 
If I did... you would know it! 
I don't go around the corner and talk trash on someone.. If I have a personal problem with that person, believe me.. I will march right up ..and we will get it on the table and take care of the problem then and there. Not that it is everyones  way... it is just my way.
( I get that from my mama... along with my strong nature and sometimes foot in mouth..and oh yeah.. my weird warped sense of humor.. )    LOL        Lord I love that woman.. 

(((Thanks Frank for trying to help keep the posse at bay and  the tar and feathers off me)))   

[Lookatmeknow!!]

Teresa, you know we do need more people like you around.  I am one of those that tends to tip toe around things nicely.  I do get tend to get upset at the issue, not ever at the people.  I had a situation at my daycare this past fall.  I have a BS degree in Elementary Education.  I have taught school for 2 years, and was employed with West Elk District as a Speech Para for 2 years before that.  I now have my daycare.  I am licensed.  That means that the State comes out once or more a year to make sure that I am following the guidelines set forth for licensed daycares in Kansas.  A year ago I went up from licensed daycare to licensed group home.  That means that I can have 12 kids, depending on the ages, by myself.  In the fall of 2007 I wrote and wanted an exception to have 13 for half the day.  I got turned down.  I got angry.  I don't understand why I can teach a room full, 20-25 kids at a time, but can't have 13 kids in my care at one time.  I, for the most part, never have problems.  The only problems I have are with my own children, usually they want my full attention.  But if I can teach an unnumber amount of children in a classroom setting, why can't I watch 13 kids for half a day??   I am the type of person that does feel that the government does have to much control in some areas and not enough in others.  I would never put kids in danger, and if I couldn't handle it I would never have wanted to do have the 13 kids for half a day. 

Teresa, I have become more outspoken, like you.  Not to make people angry, but to get my point across.  I am passinate about different things and when I feel I need to speak out I do.  Not to make people angry, but to get my point across.   I have been stepped on one to many times and if I was more outspoken at the time, things might have turned out different. 

I truly understand a little about this NAIS stuff.  But still it is hard to swallow.  I am not closed minded about the situation, but just don't feel that they need to make it mandortory until they have it all lined out.  I mean, the government needs to really have it ready to make sure that they know how to do it.  Explain it to the ranchers and cattlemen and cattlewomen, give them a chance to state their opinion, to testing to make sure that it will work and work right, then maybe then I might agree to it.  But don't make me be the one to do the testing on my farm.  I want to know that it will work and the ins and outs of it before I have to invest in something that might not even work right!!  Sorry if that offends anyone, but had to say that.

[pam]

y'know, i apologized for cussin and I really didn't mean to offend y'all but it made me think of a conversation I was havin with my husband the other day and I realize this is a wee bit off topic but anyhoo, it was about people in the public who say somthin and then somebody gets all offended about what they said and they start fallin all over themselves to take it back and I said I was waitin for the person that stood up and said "yeah, I said that and what's more, I meant it" well at the time I said money talks and the other walks I meant it, in our culture that is pretty much true anywhere. It was not a personal insult to anybody involved in this conversation. Money greases the wheels for all of us and we all know it lol. I respect all y'alls positions.

[flo]

been accused of a lot of things but being "wishy-washy" isn't one of them.  Got something to say? Spit it out.  Some times call for a little more tact than others, and I'm with ya'all - if I have something to say to a particular person, I won't post it on the forum, I will personally contact that person because any defugility (is that a word?) would be between them and myself, not them, me and the whole rest of whoever happens to be reading the forum.  My language does get some colorful words in it once in awhile, but it is not meant to be offensive and I apologize if it offends anyone, but I tend to write what I'm thinking and I think like I'm talking.  I really enjoy the discussions on here.  I learn a lot, believe it or not.  I may not agree with what I'm reading, but, hey, this is the United States of America.  I can disagree if I want to, so there.  - - - AND - - - -think I have the oil price gouging solved -  LET'S BLAME FRANK- all in favor say "aye" (sorry, Frank, devil made me do that  )

[frawin]

I can handle that Flo, I am used to it.
Frank

[Wilma]

AYE, but he doesn't mean it, so I forgive him.