LIBERTARIANS' LISTENIN' POST

Started by CCarl, March 04, 2025, 01:23:01 PM

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CCarl

Hey, Libertarians, Where Is Your Voice on Immigration?

Doesn't the Wall prevent immigrants from the same opportunities Americans have?

Doesn't a Wall to keep them out violate the NAP?

With the exception of Native Americans, ALL our families have been immigrants to this country the past 417 years! And YES, some of our ancestors failed to check in when they arrived!

Are we not better off building longer tables rather than building higher walls? No, I did not say to build those tables with tax dollars.

We build with sweat, toil, and desire to help. And we SHARE. Isn't that the Libertarian Way? Isn't that the Human Way? Then why isn't it the American Way Today??


Hold Washington D.C. Accountable.
The aim of public education is not to spread enlightenment at all, it is simply to reduce as many individuals as possible to the same safe level, to breed and train a standardized citizenry, to put down dissent and originality.

Bib Overalls built America; Business Suits destroyed America.

CCarl

Changin' Society's Regression

Today, our communities, Elk County, all 50 States, our country, and the world are full of this regressive sequence;
Fear > Control > Structure > Debt > Obedience > Slavery.

The response to that by individuals and communities should be this progression in all directions & situations;
Love > No Coercion > Private Property > Free Markets > Voluntaryism > Free Will.
The aim of public education is not to spread enlightenment at all, it is simply to reduce as many individuals as possible to the same safe level, to breed and train a standardized citizenry, to put down dissent and originality.

Bib Overalls built America; Business Suits destroyed America.

CCarl


Woods' Law

No matter whom you vote for, you always end up with John McCain.

Thanks Tom . . . . LOL
The aim of public education is not to spread enlightenment at all, it is simply to reduce as many individuals as possible to the same safe level, to breed and train a standardized citizenry, to put down dissent and originality.

Bib Overalls built America; Business Suits destroyed America.

CCarl

#3
David Stockman Sounds A Bit Libertarian!!

"Donald Trump doesn't give two hoots about the true agenda that might actually make America freer and more prosperous again. We are referring to the principles of . . . .
   1) peaceful commerce with every nation, entangling alliances with none,
   2) minimalist, solvent, constitutional government at home,
   3) sound money and market-driven interest rates and asset prices,
   4) maximum scope for personal liberty and free market, and
   5) decentralized, Federalist arrangements for any necessary functions of the state."


Well, except for #5. When humanity has 1 through 4, the STATE NO LONGER HAS ANY NECESSARY FUNCTIONS!! And the quickest, and probably only, way to get the first four is to eliminate #5!!
The aim of public education is not to spread enlightenment at all, it is simply to reduce as many individuals as possible to the same safe level, to breed and train a standardized citizenry, to put down dissent and originality.

Bib Overalls built America; Business Suits destroyed America.

CCarl

Here Are a Few of Rothbard's One-Liners

All services provided by the 'monopoly system of the corporate state' could be provided more efficiently by the private sector;

The state is 'the organization of robbery systematized and writ large';

He called fractional-reserve banking a form of fraud, he opposed central banking; and,

He opposed all military, political, and economic intervention in the affairs of other nations.



Who says all that today, beside Rand Paul, Mike Lee, and Tom Massie?

Anyone from Kansas?
  Anyone?
The aim of public education is not to spread enlightenment at all, it is simply to reduce as many individuals as possible to the same safe level, to breed and train a standardized citizenry, to put down dissent and originality.

Bib Overalls built America; Business Suits destroyed America.

CCarl

#5
He "Knew There Was Rot In The System, But . . "

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/ed-dowd-fears-short-deep-recession-coming-doge-exposes-mind-shocking-fraud-propped-bidens

Are these over-educated 'experts' ever going to get it? Or are they all on the take, making money for rehearsed statements of shock and awe for the public?

What is mind-shocking fraud to Ed is obvious & intuitive to Libertarians. Similarly, Libertarians advocate a single solution. Our slogan, among several, is 'No State'. It is prime time for that slogan to manifest, because Ed's short recession is bound to be a State-caused depression.

Our first step is to rid ourselves of the mob that controls Washington D.C. Voting the mob out will never happen, just witness the 2024 election. The other legal approach is to organize a Convention of States [COS]. Time to get busy with our state legislatures. Thirty-four states are needed to 'make the call'. Don't worry, an open convention floor will occur, regardless of the strict agendas and control that may have been intended. Secession will come, and before the convention ends D.C. will be done. See the COS here;
  https://conventionofstates.com/

Yes, kicking the mob out can lawfully happen. The Declaration of Independence starts by asserting our inherent Right to do so; "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it . . . "

Then it will be time to turn to our individual States, and end the social control, the economic fraud, and the malevolence of the police state that are in ALL our backyards.

States will react differently. We must expect some of them, maybe even half or more, when faced with Freedom, to shrink back into the Fear > Control > Obedience mode, then coalesce into mini-united-states. Most of those will probably adopt the draconian Lincoln-ite model of democracy, and desire participation in the United Nations.

But, libertarians can manage to lead some of our States into a confederacy, modeled along the lines of the 1777 Articles of Confederation. That alone will be a huge improvement over the status quo, and a step toward real Freedom. There will be no entangling alliances with this group of States.

A few States will be bold, and accept the task of Freedom head-on. They will become autonomous nation-states, and no doubt end up with minimal governance and maximum Freedom. Yes, we can expect to see Libertarian societies evolve from D.C.'s pile of rubble.

The process of the COS will also provide autonomy to every Native Nation in the USA today. They should react similarly to the States, with some tribes seeking strength in federations, and some choosing autonomy. They all should realize the common ground they share is Mother Earth, and the common plague they have escaped is Uncle Sam.

What comes of all this? Diversity does. Diverse social organizations, diverse currencies, balanced and still unbalanced budgets, a return to respect of Natural Rights (although a few new nation-states will restrict them), and free access to the market place with products, labor, and ideas. The list of diversity is nearly endless, given the generations that humanity has struggled and strangled under the 'one ring that binds us all'.

But the greatest gift of that evolving diversity is Opportunity, i.e., the freedom for all individuals and families to explore that diversity, chase their dreams and desires, realize their goals, and express their Free Will. There will not be any hand-outs in libertarian countrysides, but if trouble comes to our doors, we can expect neighbors' hands to reach out. That is the Libertarian way, and it starts by lawfully ending the State.
The aim of public education is not to spread enlightenment at all, it is simply to reduce as many individuals as possible to the same safe level, to breed and train a standardized citizenry, to put down dissent and originality.

Bib Overalls built America; Business Suits destroyed America.

CCarl

Foundational Principle of Society

"America's founding ideal was the principle of individual rights. Nothing more - and nothing less. The rest - everything that America achieved, everything she became, everything 'noble and just,' and heroic, and great, and unprecedented in human history - was the logical consequence of fidelity to that one principle."
- Ayn Rand (1905-1982)

I do not know when she first spoke or wrote that quote. But note that it is in the past tense. She considered the essential virtue of America gone during her lifetime.

It is never too late to return to an understanding of Inalienable Rights. It is past time to refocus on them.
The aim of public education is not to spread enlightenment at all, it is simply to reduce as many individuals as possible to the same safe level, to breed and train a standardized citizenry, to put down dissent and originality.

Bib Overalls built America; Business Suits destroyed America.

CCarl

Making Libertarianism Philosophical, Not Political

Our Libertarian Party was formed fifty-four years ago, then held its first convention in 1972. Those early events quickly evolved into a Party focused around these principles; self-rule, non-aggression, private property, voluntary interaction, and no State. In a word the principle was, and still is, Liberty.

Since the Party's formative days, the Beltway Libbers and most of the academic libbers have managed to subdivide the philosophy and political theory into at least thirty subsets, each one apparently in contrast to some degree with those five fundamental principles. If people want to believe a rag like wikipedia, here is the list of currently acceptable libertarian factions: agorism, anarcho-capitalism, autarchism, bleeding-heart libertarianism, christian libertarianism, civil libertarianism, classical liberalism, consequentialist libertarianism, crypto-anarchism, deontological libertarianism, free-market anarchism, geolibertarianism, green libertarianism, individualist anarchism, laissez-faire, left-wing market anarchism, liberalism, liberism, libertarian Christianity, libertarian conservatism, libertarian paternalism, libertarian transhumanism, market liberalism, market socialism, minarchism, paleolibertarianism, panarchism, philosophical anarchism, propertarianism, right-libertarianism, social libertarianism, and voluntaryism.

Really? Is it any wonder the Party has fragmented and lost its way? Is it any wonder the 2024 Party platform was not much more than support of the LBGTQ+ crowd that garnered the Party less publicity and votes than it has had since Ron Paul wore his Libertarian cap into the Republican Party in 2008?

A return to fundamentals is necessary. Rather than turning to well known proponents like Mises Institute, LRC, Tom Woods, Walter Block, et. al., let's look at someone that does NOT define and debate the minutiae of all those factions. Richard Maybury is an investment advisor who studies geopolitics, then provides recommendations for investment opportunities around the world. He has distilled the move to Liberty into sixteen words; "Do all you have agreed to do", and "Do not encroach on other persons, or their property." Maybury describes those words as the 'human ethics needed to make civilization possible'. Nice. Concise. Precise. Perfect advice.

Pretty much a fundamental Libertarian, huh? He certainly gets to the heart of the libertarian ethos with those words, IMO. And he does so without any academic effeteness. I would love to hear a conversation with him about when, where, and with whom each of us has made an agreement. Just what does that "do all you have agreed to do" imply? The concept suggests that all of us come here with a purpose. IMO, that says each of us has had an understanding of the human experience we are now living before our physical birth. Our purpose is apparently unique to each of us, and the paths we travel in life can be seen as a series of experiences that realize that purpose, a fulfillment of Free Will, if you will.

Maybury's credo says equally important to my purpose is your purpose. So while I need a life experience that is free to grow, question, pursue desires and goals, and accumulate what degree of wealth I want, I must also allow you the same opportunity for your growth, questioning, desires, goals, and wealth. And you must reciprocate. The Founding Fathers of the these united States called that experience the Pursuit of Happiness in the Preamble to the Declaration of Independence.

By wealth I do not ONLY mean the accumulation of money or other financial gains. I tie wealth to our purpose in this life. IMO, wealth is fulfilling that purpose. Yes, it may be materialistic or financial, but it may also be knowledge, children, personal interactions, love, and many more. For all of us to realize our purpose and achieve that wealth, we cannot be coercive of others. Aggression toward others and forced obedience of others are counterproductive to this credo. We do not succeed by subjugating others or demanding their obedience, no matter how trivial the demand may seem.

What typifies the communities and societies that form from this credo are non-aggression, voluntary interactions, self-responsibility, self-rule, wealth creation, and subsequently, no need for the State. And there, IMO, is the consensus of the Signers of the Declaration of Independence. We can live our pursuit of happiness, and Maybury's credo, by self-rule with no need for politics. Our Libertarian philosophy is just that, and it is antithetical to politics because politics leads to the State, and the State demands obedience, not creative expression.


The aim of public education is not to spread enlightenment at all, it is simply to reduce as many individuals as possible to the same safe level, to breed and train a standardized citizenry, to put down dissent and originality.

Bib Overalls built America; Business Suits destroyed America.

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