Democracy vs Republic . . .

[redcliffsw]

In 1865, we lost our Republic at Appomattox.  Republicans and Obama types are running the show.

[frawin]

How Disappointing, it is 2:32 PM and there has only been 3 Posts on the Forum all day. I wish more people would Post more, about any Topic, just give everyone something to read and think about. The Forum is or at one time was one of the top Places to put or read things about Howard and Elk County. THANKS TO KAREN, we still get the Obituaries. All the Obituaries do is make me sad to see so many people I have Known, in some cases all of my life, go to that BIG HOME IN THE SKY.

[Delbert]

I guess the slaves were property that shouldn't have been taken away?

[redcliffsw]

Perhaps the slaves were the first example of Federal government's taking of property.  Slaves were property.  Right?  And we can understand that the Emancipation Proclamation was an Executive Order - can't we?  And the Proclamation never freed any slaves in the north.  At the time slavery was legal under the Constitutiion and this is just another instance that Lincoln violated the Constitution. 

The Republican party has never disowned Lincoln and neither has Mr. Obama and neither has the modern Democrat Party.  Very few real Democrats/Jeffersonian Democrats remain these days.  Today, most Americans are Republicans or Obamites.

The idea that Republicans are conservative is false.  Republicans are liberal and socialistic, just not always in the same ways or things that Obama is.

Lincoln separated Americans from the founding fathers.  The Confederates were the last American army to stand for the Constitution.

I know a black man whose grandfather was a Confederate who served under General Nathan Bedford Forrest.  He told me that his grandfather did not know whether he would be free or slave after the war.  That wasn't the issue.  The issue was the Constitution.

Republicans and Obama do not stand for the Constitution.  They think anybody who does is "twisted".

Whites and free blacks were better off under the Constitution before the Civil War, than after the Civil War.  The country changed and freedoms decreased.  Every new law passed is a freedom lost. 

It's the tyrants, the Republicans and modern democrats who have removed the Confederate monuments and flags.  They've put us on notice that they'll keep stealing the liberty of Americans with no end in sight. 

Where will you stand?  You don't have to answer that.

[W. Gray]

Perhaps the slaves were the first example of Federal government's taking of property.  Slaves were property.  Right?  And we can understand that the Emancipation Proclamation was an Executive Order - can't we?  And the Proclamation never freed any slaves in the north.  At the time slavery was legal under the Constitutiion and this is just another instance that Lincoln violated the Constitution. 

Where in the Constitution of the United States is slavery mentioned as being legal?

How did Lincoln violate the Constitution if his Emancipation Proclamation did not apply to anyone in the United States?

Lincoln's order declaring the freedom of the slaves in another self-proclaimed country operating under another constitution was symbolic.

The thirteenth amendment to the Constitution gives the first mention of slavery and specifically prohibits it.

The Civil War effectively ended in April 1865. Before that year was out, the legislatures of twenty-seven of the 36 states, including nine former slave states, approved the thirteenth amendment making it part of the Constitution.

After the amendment was legally approved, three more former slave state legislatures put their stamp of approval on the amendment.

The states approved the termination of slavery, not the Federal government.

[redcliffsw]

When the uSA was founded, there was no prohibition of slavery in the Constitution.  So how could slavery have been illegal? 

The north wanted slaves to be counted as only 3/5ths of a person to determine representation in the U S House of Representatives.  The South wanted slaves to be counted as a whole person.

As for the Emancipation Proclamation, remember that Lincoln attacked his own States.     

Symbolic?  You're being a nice guy to the Lincoln or something else.  I think the Republican's and Obama can outdo you when complementing and favoring Lincoln. 

Today, those with ancestors who stood for the American Revolution and for the Southern Confederacy ought to be against the Republicans and Obama.  However, many have been educated and paid to think otherwise.  The central government has the power and their attention.

The slaves were released from private ownership and converted to Federal ownership and at the same time the whites were too.  That's yer 14th Amendment doing the Republicans' another bad deed. 

 

[W. Gray]

As for the Emancipation Proclamation, remember that Lincoln attacked his own States.     

You seem to be saying the Emancipation Proclamation, issued on January 1, 1863, was a declaration of war causing Lincoln to attack the South.

If the Proclamation was more than just symbolic, how many slaves on January 2, 1863, did the CSA set free in response to President Lincoln's document?

[redcliffsw]

Lincoln didn't want to allow the States to leave the Union.  He believed that the Confederate States were still in the Union.  Lincoln was treasonous - he attacked his "own" States.

His so-called Executive Order of the day, the Emancipation Proclamation had no power and effect in the Confederate Sates of America and of course they still had slaves in the north and there was no slave revolt in the South.  Most southern blacks were loyal to the South.

Today, we live with the Republicans and Obama running the show.

Our founding fathers and the Confederates were right.