Civil War Terror: Sherman's March To The Sea

[Bullwinkle]

      As I stated, you can find a handful who stayed with their benefactors.

     We have "honorable" southerners like Gov. George Wallace and the like ( KKK ) for giving Sharpton, Jackson, et al. a leg to stand on as to the poor treatment of blacks.

[redcliffsw]

The poor treatment of blacks and whites began in Reconstruction.  It was your yankees who required that blacks
and whites be separated.  And it was the yankees (Fed's) who who created the hatred among the blacks and whites. 

By the way, the orginal KKK was OK prior to its abandonment in about 1877.  The latter day KKK is not connected to the first KKK
and the latter day KKK is much more northern.

[srkruzich]

      As I stated, you can find a handful who stayed with their benefactors.

I don't call over 80,000 blacks that fought for the south  a handful. thats 1/3 of the confederate army.  Get real there bullwinkile. 

We have "honorable" southerners like Gov. George Wallace and the like ( KKK ) for giving Sharpton, Jackson, et al. a leg to stand on as to the poor treatment of blacks.

LOL, you really believe the hype.  Sheesh.  Jackson is a millionaire yet has no job.  How did he get it? OFF the backs of the blacks, promoting race warfare.  Sharpton as well.  Wallace didn't do 1/10th of what sharpton and jackson has done to promote racism.   

[W. Gray]

General Sherman's right wing commander was General Oliver Otis Howard for whom the town of Howard was named. Howard commanded the Army of the Tennessee during the March to the Sea.

[Warph]

General Sherman's right wing commander was General Oliver Otis Howard for whom the town of Howard was named. Howard commanded the Army of the Tennessee during the March to the Sea.

Oohh oh...

[srkruzich]

Oohh oh...

LOL well howard wasn't much of a military man. he fubar'd two campaigns  pretty bad from very stupid decisions.  One of the worst was leaving his rear unguarded or defended by a barrier.  Confederate soldiers kicked his ass in gettysburg as well as his western campaign. 

he also let hood escape through his ranks causing sherman to go on a rabbit chase.  LOL

[Diane Amberg]

Nobody know as for sure how many blacks actually served in some capacity for the confederates because records were/are very sketchy and are/were often extracted from articles about other things, but included information that could be used to estimate numbers. About 65,000 is a commonly accepted number. Now, how they came to be used is something else.
  Some were taken with their masters to serve for and with them. Some went willingly because they were promised their freedom and in some cases land. Some were freed and paid to go. Many were already freemen and took their trades to the battlefield with them. Many were armed ,some were not. Different states did different things.
   Some did fight. Many worked as support behind the scenes. Some saw it as a chance to better them selves and didn't care who won. Some were fiercely loyal to the south, regardless.
     Another side to all this was what were the women doing. Again, a lot of romantic stories not supported by history. Some were against the confederacy and most all, both black and white, slaves or not, had to work very hard to survive.  The shortage of men affected their lives most severely.

[srkruzich]

Nobody know as for sure how many blacks actually served in some capacity for the confederates because records were/are very sketchy and are/were often extracted from articles about other things, but included information that could be used to estimate numbers. About 65,000 is a commonly accepted number. Now, how they came to be used is something else.

Because the revisionist history writers wanted to downplay it. the records have come out from journals that are being recovered every year that tells more.   You have to remember people still hold these journals because the "history writers" lied.  They don't want the truth to be hidden and lost.

Some were taken with their masters to serve for and with them. Some went willingly because they were promised their freedom and in some cases land. Some were freed and paid to go. Many were already freemen and took their trades to the battlefield with them. Many were armed ,some were not. Different states did different things.

They had a choice.  they didn't have to fight for the south, they could have stayed home or they could have ran to the north but  then face return when the northerners caught them.  Remember the north didn't free their slaves til after the war was over.

Some did fight. Many worked as support behind the scenes. Some saw it as a chance to better them selves and didn't care who won. Some were fiercely loyal to the south, regardless. 

Oh come on, quit diminishing their bravery and their accomplishments diane. To here you talk you just think of them as a bunch of dumb nigger slaves.  They were fighting for their home and families just like every other man in the south.   They went volentarily into Nathan forrests brigade.   do denigrate the blacks just because they served as support or servants is quite racist.  Tells me you think they didn't have a brain in their heads.  They were there VOLUNTARILY not forced into service.

want examples.... these are FIGHTING MEN, VOLENTEERs, fought from DAY 1. 
The Louisiana Native Guards demonstrate what free blacks, from Louisiana, thought about the Confederacy. The Louisiana Native Guards was a militia regiment comprised of 1400 black men and officers, "who offered their services to Dixie" in April of 1861 [3]. The following year 3000 black men and officers organized themselves into the 1st Native Guard of Louisiana. These pro-Confederate blacks formed for the protection of New Orleans. After parading through the city they were described in the newspaper as "rebel Negroes...well drilled...and uniformed" [4]

Another side to all this was what were the women doing. Again, a lot of romantic stories not supported by history. Some were against the confederacy and most all, both black and white, slaves or not, had to work very hard to survive.  The shortage of men affected their lives most severely.

Wanna post the proof?  women did support their men and their country.  There might have been a couple that were against ,but i'll tell you they kept it to themselves.  Only 1/3 of this country fought against the british in 1776 too.  The rest sat on their collective asses and waited for whoever to win before they declared their loyalty.

Thats where we get liberals from you know.

[Diane Amberg]

Now look here, Mr. Marshmallow for brains...I never said anything to you in any negative form ABOUT YOU.
Perfect deflection on your part. Ya can't attack the issue, so you childishly call me, the poster, nasty names. What does that get you? Nobody is impressed, I promise you. You've obviously forgotten what I told you about my family and the Underground Railroad, which I suppose you think is all lies, since those well treated slaves would never want to run away, now would they?
You know so little you don't even know you don't know!   Many people here had already given up slaves and moved on long before the Civil War. The Quakers started changing in the 1700's. Read it for yourself. I'm not going to do the work for you.While you are at it read about indentured servants and how that worked You are so full of hot air you could make a balloon rise!  Some southern history writers lie so much they believe their own righteousness! and tell tales that eventually go from tale to truth.The war was a terrible thing, but we got past it...except for a few who have made it personal to keep retelling the truthful parts and embellishing the lies.
 The south did their share of horrible things too. Ya ever hear of Andersonville? Ever go there? I know the stories from my own family, who had soldiers on both sides. It was ugly for sure. Now try this out.
  They fought  (the slaves)for the same reason they fought in previous wars and wars afterward: "to position themselves.They had to prove they were patriots in the hope the future would be better...they hoped to be rewarded."
  That, my dear, is your own quote from Prof. Ed Smith.Thank you for helping me prove my point. No slaves ,not even the well treated ones wanted to be slaves.They wanted freedom, even if it was to stay right there on the same soil. They wanted to make their own choices, get educated, keep their families together and learn/and or practice trades as well as farm. Most didn't have a choice to stay home during the war. I don't who suckered you into believing that, especially as the south ran out of healthy white men...except for the female slaves. Mostly, they stayed home and helped the families try to survive. At that point they were better off marshaling their forces to survive together rather than trying to make it own their own.
   Can you tell me you don't know about the southern food riots where those wonderful manly southern gentlemen merchants raised the prices of food until the women, in desperation to keep their families alive, rioted and took it way from them? Oh yes, those women just loved those Confederate men. Prove it?  Go read it for yourself! and no, they didn't keep quiet about it.
Sure, the women of the south supported their troops just as the women of the north did. It was those civilian "southern gentle men" that weren't to be trusted. It has also been found that some of "New"journals ,and I suspect on both sides, are fakes or were written by people who were told stories from other people and can't be verified. Everybody wants to make a buck. Ya say you've been to Gettysburg? When?  How long ago? Why were you there?
As for Nathan Forrest...has a rep as quite a fighter, took his own slaves with him and others joined him figuring it could help them.They couldn't be much worse off, now could they?
  By the way, you should work on your grammar and spelling. Snap!

[ELK@KC]

WAY TO GO DIANE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!