Government Schools, Bastion of Honesty and ethics!??

[srkruzich]

http://video.foxnews.com/v/1070051048001/public-schools-rocked-by-cheating-scandal/

And we wonder why there are no ethics or honesty in our graduates anymore.

[Diane Amberg]

Shame on them, but it has nothing to do with the rest of us. Why generalize? That's not fair to the many honest kids.

[srkruzich]

Shame on them, but it has nothing to do with the rest of us. Why generalize? That's not fair to the many honest kids.

Diane,its the ENTIRE ATLANTA PUBLIC SCHOOL SYSTEM.  You cannot sya its one or two bad teachers. ITS ALL OF THEM INCLUDING THE ADMINISTRATION!

Quite frankly it doesn't surprise me that Atlanta is in this! 

[srkruzich]

Simply put the system is failed.  IT is coming apart now.  You know when something out here dies, it lays there and rots and before long a leg falls off, the head falls off, the body just falls apart.  This is waht is happening to the Government schools.  One city (leg) here, one city (head) there. til it all just falls apart

And to think the whole school system is unethical and dishonest?  Sheesh! 

[srkruzich]

178 teachers altered standardized tests to make themselves look good. 178 teachers isn't just a few bad teachers!  ITS a entire school system!

[farmgal67357]

178 teachers altered standardized tests to make themselves look good. 178 teachers isn't just a few bad teachers!  ITS a entire school system!

Those tests are a waste of time anyway. They are used to compare students, schools, and districts progress from year to year. Problem is, they all use different tests! It's like comparing apples and oranges! And there should be no Federal Dept. of Ed! Give the schools back to their respective states. And if a teacher is continually ineffective, they should be fired.
Lisa, yes, my husband is a teacher...

[srkruzich]

Those tests are a waste of time anyway. They are used to compare students, schools, and districts progress from year to year. Problem is, they all use different tests! It's like comparing apples and oranges! And there should be no Federal Dept. of Ed! Give the schools back to their respective states. And if a teacher is continually ineffective, they should be fired.
Lisa, yes, my husband is a teacher...

I agree totally, but the issue isn't the test. The issue is the ethics and honesty of 178 teachers and untold number administrative staff.    THIS Is not some anomaly.  It  is a coordinated effort with some powerful backing that allowed them to get away with this for some time.   OHHh just found out, the 178 were offered a choice. Resign or get fired.  Only 7 have resigned.  The rest are hoping for Union protection or unemployment.  Fire their ass, deny them any shape or form of unemployment and bar them from ever teaching again!

Let them starve.

[Diane Amberg]

Steve, just call it what it is...Atlanta, not everywhere, apparently has a rotten system, but don't by extension tar us all with that same brush! By all means roll 'em out ,fix it, fire them, whatever, but leave it at that.
Lisa, I agree with everything you said. States should be able to have more control, but it puts some states in the odd situation of having to test every child who transfers in from another state and then try to figure out where they fit in. A national base line would be nice, but I sure don't know how to implement it. We have kids who transfer to schools here who are 'way behind. Then what do you do? Make the kids repeat and have the parents angry? tutoring? Sat. school?
Yes, a teacher who cheats should have their license pulled, unless it can be shown that there was black mailing or coercion from some source going on. So pull the job in that case, but leave the license. The punishment can't be rougher than with any other job but shouldn't be less either. 

[redcliffsw]

The "odd situation" is that state and federal governments are involved in education.   
The locals should have full control over local education.

The socilaists know how to construct a "national baseline" and you can bet they have their eye on that too.

Another thing, if you want a kid to be a communist, then send him to a government school.

[srkruzich]

Steve, just call it what it is...Atlanta, not everywhere, apparently has a rotten system, but don't by extension tar us all with that same brush! By all means roll 'em out ,fix it, fire them, whatever, but leave it at that.

IF its in Atlanta, its in DC, its in Baltimore its in Boston.   Its in every city in the US.  Might not be on the scale this is or it might be who knows. The reason they get away with it is they don't have accountability in the system.  IT was by luck that this was discovered.