Elk Konnected Hand out at County Commissioners meeting on 4/25

[Ross]

West Elk USD- 282  SCHOOL BOARD MINUTES

http://westelk.us/school-board-minutes/

I believe I told you while collecting signatures for the Opposition Petition I saw and spoke with the President of
the School Board Mr. Hilton and joked with him about signing the Opposition Petition. After he finished shopping i the Dollar General and came back outside, we visited for a short time. Mr. Hilton informed me he was the only member of the board that voted against the petition. I have told many people this story but always closed that story saying I'd have to see that in writing, in the minutes. Well, it wasn't so! Read it for yourself. I call it like it is, I am not politically correct for an instant. A lie is a lie,



MINUTES-of the Special Board Meeting, Thursday, July 16, 2015 @ 8:00 p.m. at the West Elk District Office.
BOARD MEMBERS PRESENT ADMINISTRATION OTHERS

Matthew C. Hilton, President Bert Moore, Supt/Director of SPED
Dr. Robert Black (8:02 p.m.)
Martin Burke, Principal
Tyson Denton
Paula McAlister, Clerk/Business Mgr.
Penny Swanson

BOARD MEMBER ABSENT
Shelly Hare
Angela Allen, Vice-President

At 8:02 p.m., President Hilton called the meeting to order by reciting the Pledge of Allegiance.

III. DISCUSSION/ACTION ITEMS:
A. 2015-16 Capital Outlay Resolution:
After discussion, Black moved to authorize publication of the following Resolution to Levy Tax for Capital Outlay Fund authorizing up to 8 mills of budget authority not to exceed 5 years:

Denton seconded the motion and motion passed. (4-0)

( four board members present -------  four board members voted for the resolution!
Tilton Hilton lied to me. In today's world it's accepted to be PC and almost a requirement for politicians to lie.)

At 8:20 p.m. Hilton adjourned the meeting.


Also during my visit with Mr. Hilton, I asked about the treatment of Mr. Harrod over the football field crowning and he said, "Mr. Harrod did not deliver what he was told to deliver!" Now it is my opinion since there was no written contract, I assume all Mr. Harrod was told, was to crown the field. And I say this, because the maintenance man apparently did not understand fill soil and ran straight to the School Board with out talking to Mr. Harrod. And i feel safe to assume the School Board did not understand fill soil because there was no board discussion about it. Just Wham Bam get your dirt off our grounds.

Mr. Hilton commented their were rocks in the dirt. I said, yes and Mr. Harrod had someone who was to spread and clean it.

Mr. Hilton said, yes but they can't get all the little rocks out of it and they will come to the surface. Folks I seriously doubt that dirt they paid an extreme amount for is totally rock free. Seriously, Just think about it.

[redcliffsw]

Is Hilton a communist or nazi?  Or do people even care anymore?

How can folks pretend to be Americans and trust these parasites?

[Ross]

Good morning folks,

Rumor has it that,  the county put out bids on remodeling the old nursing home and on those bids they supposedly stated they had $400,000.00 ! I have never heard of telling bidders how much money you have to spend. It doesn't like good business practice to me.

They got supposedly received bids back a and again supposedly the lowest bid came back at $800,000.00.

Looks like it would be a good idea about this time to tear down the albatross and do a new building, doesn't it?

Would the new building have to be a big fancy building ?
Not in my opinion?
How about you, what do you think?

HOW ABOUT:
Something small by sufficient to take care of the EMS people.
Something conservative.
Something cost effective.
Something for EMS only.   After all that was the main reason for building in the beginning.

They don't need to act like it is a bill going before Congress and keep adding extra's to the bill in order to get them passed do they?

We have learned we could lose the PILOT money very easily and none has been saved for possible major problems. And not all of the coun ty bills have been paid off.

SO

Do you reckon the County Board could increase their conservative attitude a bit more?
And leave the Liberal attitude at home?

Perhaps no more giving away taxpayer dollars in a Liberal Socialist manner !

[Bullwinkle]

        Now you are really going off the deep end.

        "Rumor has it". What, no factual evidence?

       " We have learned we could lose the PILOT money very easily". Who is "we" and what facts do you have to support such a statement. All I have seen you offer is hearsay and conjecture.

       Tear down a perfectly good building. Now that would be a really smart move. What do you think the cost of demolition and new construction would be?

       You need to stick with factual statements and forget about offering statements with no facts to back them up. You obviously don't know much about building construction I'm sad to say.

[Ross]

        Now you are really going off the deep end.

        "Rumor has it". What, no factual evidence?

       " We have learned we could lose the PILOT money very easily". Who is "we" and what facts do you have to support such a statement. All I have seen you offer is hearsay and conjecture.

       Tear down a perfectly good building. Now that would be a really smart move. What do you think the cost of demolition and new construction would be?

       You need to stick with factual statements and forget about offering statements with no facts to back them up. You obviously don't know much about building construction I'm sad to say.

I did not want to tell any lies and conjecture is right.

So what is there to be upset with?

Where do you get a perfectly good building out of something that needs $800,000.00 dollars to fix up?
If it were a perfectly good building why would Howard give it up for nothing? Wouldn't it be worth a lot of money?

You know, like the grade schools that West Elk gave away? Perfectly good buildings. That will probably go the way of the old school building that was in the center of Howard. It was an eyesore for years, wasn't?

I feel pretty certain the rumor has some basis and people will be learning of it soon enough !

I'm sorry you took it personal. I wish you took the waste of county taxpayers money and giving taxpayers money away.

In the mean time some people might like a heads up, so as to be able to give the matter some thought before it actually happens.


Just open for discussion!


Let's hang loose and see what transpires.

[Bullwinkle]

         What does it cost per square foot to build a masonry structure?
         Does the floor plan of a nursing home not require remodeling to be repurposed?
         Why do you think repurposing an existing building is a waste of taxpayer money? Donald Trump has made billions doing that very thing.
         Where do you get that I'm upset, just for asking for factual answers to questions? Isn't that one of your trademark pieces of rhetoric? Asking for answers to your questions?
         I certainly don't take any of your remarks personally. I do take what happens in my community personally.
         You often times border on prevarication with your inuendos. One reason some say you are full of it. You do well when you offer facts from truth, but when you make assumptions 

[frawin]

Bullwinkle, I don't know who you are, but I like your Style. Keep on Keeping on.

[Ross]

Bullwinkle, I don't know who you are, but I like your Style. Keep on Keeping on.

Why am I not surprised?
Now that's a rhetorical Question? LOL



First off Bullwinkle, I did start out simply sharing a rumor and I quote.

Rumor has it that, 

There is no  prevarication or innuendos in that, now is there? Just honesty! Saying it is a rumor !

         What does it cost per square foot to build a masonry structure?

The cost per square foot can very greatly $100 to $200 per square foot and with construction cost continuously rising possibly even more.

However:
Based on what the County Commissioners said at their meeting the cost of the new building they wanted to put in at the rodeo grounds was $800, 000.00. That is a reality and to pay the same amount to renovate an old building of which half of they said would be sealed off, make no sense to me. Oh, the cost at the nursing home would included a new garage for the ambulances.

Why does it have to be a masonry building? Why not a metal building?

         Does the floor plan of a nursing home not require remodeling to be repurposed?

No argument there, it in fact would require remodeling.
But how can you compare an old building being renovated at $800, 000.00 to
the $800, 000.00 for a new building which included room for other services.
The new building plan the county commissioners came up with was quite extravagant in my opinion.
Extravagance in an un-necessary expense, in my opinion.

         Why do you think repurposing an existing building is a waste of taxpayer money? Donald Trump has made billions doing that very thing.

First Donald Trump is not on the County Commissioners Board
Second Donald Trump may have re-purposed the buildings for someone interested in buying them completed?
Third none of his buildings are in Elk County
Forth those buildings are in highly populated areas, where there are plenty of people to sell to.
Finally Trump is not a government spending my money.

         Where do you get that I'm upset, just for asking for factual answers to questions? Isn't that one of your trademark pieces of rhetoric? Asking for answers to your questions?

No sir, I do not employ rhetoric, not my trade mark. You might think so, but that would be your personal opinion, which you are entitled to have. And that is fine with me.

employed for rhetorical effect; especially :  asked merely for effect with no answer expected <a rhetorical question> 

I don't ask questions wanting them to go unanswered !
Unless it is like the one asked above about frawin's input.

         I certainly don't take any of your remarks personally. I do take what happens in my community personally.
         You often times border on prevarication with your inuendos. One reason some say you are full of it. You do well when you offer facts from truth, but when you make assumptions 

What assumption have I made by stating, "rumor has it" ?

To attempt to make a statement of a rumor as being prevarication with innuendos, it sure sounds like you took it personal.

Or, is it you don't believe in people discussing what is going on in their community and how their money might end up being spent and/or wasted?

Prevaricate and its synonyms "lie" and "equivocate" all refer to playing fast and loose with the truth. "Lie" is the bluntest of the three. When you accuse someone of lying, you are saying he or she was intentionally dishonest, no bones about it. "Prevaricate" is less accusatory and softens the bluntness of "lie," usually implying that someone is evading the truth rather than purposely making false statements. "Equivocate" is similar to "prevaricate," but it generally implies that someone is deliberately using words that have more than one meaning as a way to conceal the truth.

I did not see where you refered to the West Elk School Superintendent's refering to rumors in his open letter to the public as being  prevarication with inuendos.

We had a woman in Delaware that operated just like you are now, I thought that was over, but I guess I was wrong, attempts at censorshp will never end.

Hanf right in there Frawin!

[Bullwinkle]

         Comparing my comments to your good friend from Delaware is quite laughable.

         The county investing money in repurposing a building they already have is no different than if it is done by an individual, except that the taxpayers benefit from the investment. A masonry building requires much less maintenance than any other form of building. That is why most schools, office buildings, etc are masonry. Your figure of $800,000 for remodeling is, by your own admission, rumor. There are many possible uses for the part of the building not designated for the EMS.

         Tearing down a perfectly sound building to erect a cheaper one in it's place is not very smart. The old school building was structurally sound, it needed a roof and windows to be weatherproof. Ask Harrod's the effort it took to demo it. It's owners were unwilling to invest any money in it, so like an old homestead, it was torn down, in many cases to not be paying taxes on something not being used.

        All you have to do is provide some real facts, if and when you have them. Good that you know how to use a dictionary. You, in fact, have asked questions with a tag line stating you didn't expect any answers, ergo, rhetorical questions.

        Don't get your panties in a wad when you are yourself asked questions.... That you have no answers for, yet.

[Ross]

As I said you are entitled to your opinion just as everyone else is, so carry on!

But just what do you know about my panties?    You been peeking?
What color are your panties? I What color are your panties! Now that's really rhetorical.

ROFLMAO

Sorry you can't deal with a rumor.  Rumors are not based on fact.
but let's just wait and see what happen's. Okay!

I think we can agree to disagree?

Politic's is politic's.