Elk Konnected Hand out at County Commissioners meeting on 4/25

[Patriot]

You 2 that call yourselves Ross and Patriot are sure troublemakers. You are trying to pit the towns in Elk County against each other, you are trying to pit the Schools against each other and you are trying to pit the people against each other. Fortunately many if not most of the people I talk to tell me that they don't believe half of what you put out here. I think you 2 are the most negative thing to come to Elk County in my lifetime.

You told us, by golly!  Now, based on your obvious lack of careful, objective review or verification of what's been said here in the last year+, and your reliance on hearsay & likely uninformed views of 'the people you talk to' we'll gladly add your name to the clueless list.

Neither Ross nor I have ever suggested anything that pits town against town or school district against school district.  In fact, there has been easily verifiable information that EK did just that as a basis for its' formation.  We have suggested and even provided evidence that there are special interests at work in local government that tend to favor select private interests and businesses.  If you're OK with that being the norm, that's a view your entitled to have.  With respect to negativity, I'll accept Ross' perspective that uncomfortable truths aren't negative... just uncomfortable.  Then again, we don't live in Perfectville where there are no problems either.  We  also don't accept the premise that openly correcting governmental wrongs is a bad thing.  Sorry your views are so skewed toward the acceptance of potentially corruptive behavior.You, Sir or Madam, are welcome to keep your head comfortably in the sand for as long as you wish. 

[Lookatmeknow!!]

That is because This so called uniting is nothing more than socialist agenda to destroy the individual. I am not responsible for you nor your kids nor your family.  You in turn are not responsible for me.  This unity crap is that. Crap. 

What is crap? Making people treat other people with respect? I was always taught to respect others. What is going on is that you choose to degrade others because they don't believe or think like you. I am not saying that you are not right about your beliefs or that I am right. I am saying that to survive in life you have to learn to get along with others. If you have a boss and they tell you to do something, do you not do it? You have to learn to except others and try to get along with them. I know and understand that you all don't like what the commissioners are doing. We get that we understand that, but 365 pages of degrading information (if you can call it that), is down right enough. No, I don't have to read it, nobody does. I think I read it just to see what kind of CRAP you all post. I am not, nor have I ever been a member of Elk Konnected. If someone from the group ask me for help, you bet if I am not busy, I would help. I help in alot of areas.

If you all don't like the commissoners, then run for an office. I see that in the paper this week they are asking for people to run for different things. But that is what the main problem with people in this area do do, they complain about certain organizations, and choose not to help when ask. If you look, its the same people doing all the different organizations, same group that want to better Elk County and surrounding areas. The only way to do that is if we do unite!!

Steve, how do we do this if we don't unite and work together? Don't tell me some big line of bull like bring in jobs, things like that. There are more jobs in this area than there have been in along time. I was born and raised in Severy, and moved to Howard when my husband and I got married. Love the area, the people, and the way of life. But this negativity this thread has makes me want to puke!!!

[frawin]

WOW Angie, you are on a roll tonite and you are right on target. You are saying exactly what a lot of people there have said to me.

[srkruzich]

What is crap? Making people treat other people with respect? I was always taught to respect others.

Respect is earned, not demanded.  Sorry but i respect only those who earn it. So far i can count on 1 hand the number of politicians i respect. 

What is going on is that you choose to degrade others because they don't believe or think like you. I am not saying that you are not right about your beliefs or that I am right. I am saying that to survive in life you have to learn to get along with others.

Not really, i do not have to believe nor do i have to even accept others beliefs.  IF i disagree, i'm going to say i disagree.  Its that simple.  Why lie about it.  We call that blowing smoke up others asses.

If you have a boss and they tell you to do something, do you not do it?

That would depend on what they tell me to do.

You have to learn to except others and try to get along with them.

Who says i do?   I don't have to accept anything.  I don't accept or get along with queers, rapists thugs, or any vermin like that and i most certainly do not get along with them.  I choose who i get along with and whom i don't. No one can force anyone to get along with anyone else. 

I know and understand that you all don't like what the commissioners are doing. We get that we understand that, but 365 pages of degrading information (if you can call it that), is down right enough. No, I don't have to read it, nobody does. I think I read it just to see what kind of CRAP you all post. I am not, nor have I ever been a member of Elk Konnected. If someone from the group ask me for help, you bet if I am not busy, I would help. I help in alot of areas.

Degrading?  Uh if the commissioners were doing it by the book then there would be no 365 pages.  Illegal unethical, immoral actions deserve the light of day and if it degrades someone so be it. IF They can't take the heat, then get out of office.

If you all don't like the commissoners, then run for an office.

No  wouldn't lower myself to do that.  And no IF i don't like it i don't have to run for office either, I can and will and demand that they do it by the rules set forth, as well as honestly and ethically. IF they don't then they should be called on it publically.  Haven't we had enough smoke being blown up our asses with politicians the last 4 years?  Heck we get it from the feds and now the locals. 

I see that in the paper this week they are asking for people to run for different things. But that is what the main problem with people in this area do do, they complain about certain organizations, and choose not to help when ask. If you look, its the same people doing all the different organizations, same group that want to better Elk County and surrounding areas. The only way to do that is if we do unite!!

THe problem isn't bettering elk county, the problem is using stolen money from the taxpayers to fund said betterment. IF the group wish's to better elk county then the group needs to raise its own funds and leave the taxdollars out of it.

Steve, how do we do this if we don't unite and work together?

Individuals do unite in a common cause, but this crap of social justice that is running rampant through our country is enough.  Indivduals are the driving force of this country not unity.  These individuals go off and start businesses, ventures, ideas and bring them to fruitition, without any need of chairs facillitators, or government welfare via tax dollars. 

Don't tell me some big line of bull like bring in jobs, things like that. There are more jobs in this area than there have been in along time. I was born and raised in Severy, and moved to Howard when my husband and I got married. Love the area, the people, and the way of life. But this negativity this thread has makes me want to puke!!!

Good theres more jobs.  How long are they going to be here?   but not enough to keep this and every county around alive.  Main problem is the county doesn't have any resources.  some town in iowa had the same problem. They created a resource, some guys INDIVIDUALS, not a group got togehter and started building and selling computers.  Gateway international was born.  Thats what is going to have to happen if the county is to survive. Find something that is needed and produce it.

[Patriot]

Steve, rarely do the concepts of individual liberty, free enterprise, integrity in government, and appearances of impropriety (even when supported by provable facts) ever sway the closed minds of people who live in the fantasy land of Obama-like hope n change.  People of that narrow mindset simply can't abandon their dreams of a perfect world where there is no conflict and where problems can all be solved if 'we just get along'.  Consequently, anyone who has a supportable point of view becomes a 'troublemaker' who can't fit some euphoric pattern of being 'positive' about everything.   But then, you knew that.

Now, who exactly is the 'we' who are going to be providing these trail rides when people park their RV?  Given the clear konnections, I can think of only one privately owned company registered with the state of KS, well konnected enough to finance such an endeavor and is operating in Elk County who fits that ticket.

[Lookatmeknow!!]

Steve, rarely do the concepts of individual liberty, free enterprise, integrity in government, and appearances of impropriety (even when supported by provable facts) ever sway the closed minds of people who live in the fantasy land of Obama-like hope n change.  People of that narrow mindset simply can't abandon their dreams of a perfect world where there is no conflict and where problems can all be solved if 'we just get along'.  Consequently, anyone who has a supportable point of view becomes a 'troublemaker' who can't fit some euphoric pattern of being 'positive' about everything.   But then, you knew that.

Now, who exactly is the 'we' who are going to be providing these trail rides when people park their RV?  Given the clear konnections, I can think of only one privately owned company registered with the state of KS, well konnected enough to finance such an endeavor and is operating in Elk County who fits that ticket.



It's how you say it and go about the change. We all have free liberty to do and say what we believe. But when you all say it, it's ok. But I voice my opinion and I am uneducated and don't know what I am talking about. It's not how loud you scream, but how you go about things. You have sit and said that people that make money in this county don't pay taxes. They all have free money that is coming from the government that they didn't earn. But honestly, some of the people that you are talking about don't get free rides, that is what you called it. They work!! What is disablility? I know I am opening up a can of worms, but when my dad passed away years ago, he was getting a pension from the government. He was retired from the Navy. After he passed away, my mom didn't get crap! Thank goodness my sister and brother and I were out on our own then and she didn't have to raise us any more. She lost everything. Then she had heart problems. Doctor told her she couldn't work, but it took her well over a year to get any kind of disability. So, what am I to HATE the government for doing my family wrong. Sit on my butt and complain does nothing. I am bettering myself by getting a job to help support my family. I am proud that my father was in the Armed Forces. But they did my mother wrong, should I just HATE all that they do. NO, and I don't. I am a proud hard working AMERICAN raising my 3 beautiful daughters to believe in GOD, and this country!! I am teaching them to set goals and never let anyone tell you that you can't be anything that you want. But most importantly to treat others the way that they themselves want to be treated. If I do wrong, you bet I want someone to tell me. I want to improve myself everyday, especially if I am doing something wrong. I am not telling you that you are wrong. I just think that by now you have found a better way to get your point across. We all hear you, but the louder you are shouting the more people are not listening!! Honestly, I am not!

[Lookatmeknow!!]

WOW Angie, you are on a roll tonite and you are right on target. You are saying exactly what a lot of people there have said to me.

Thanks- Just venting. So tired of people targeting others. It happens on every level of things. I volunteer alot, but am always the target when something goes wrong. It happens when you step up and help out where you are needed. Like many others in this community that get an earful everytime something goes wrong. Like teachers, coaches, 4-H leaders, Girl Scout/Boy Scout leaders, councilmen and women, board members, you name it, they are the target. Not once do the complainers step up and help out in the commmunity, but they are usually the ones to yell the loudest when something doesn't go like they think it should.

I for one APPRECIATE anyone who volunteers to make this community and surrounding communities better places to leave for my children. With out your help and support some of the different things in the communities wouldn't get done. Even the County Commissioners, they have a hard job, and I for one wouldn't want it for anything. But I do say THANKS!!

[Patriot]

... We all hear you, but the louder you are shouting the more people are not listening!!  I am not!

I sincerely hope venting your personal feelings about how the government treated your mother and sharing your personal stories was beneficial to you at some level.

All in all your diatribe was nice, even though I never mentioned taxes, disabilities or your personal/family objectives.

As for you not listening, the simple fact you responded here proves that statement inaccurate.  However I don't doubt that you are not hearing or comprehending.  One word... F O C U S. 

Can you talk about the trail rides that are to be provided?  How about the inappropriate use of government position?  Or what about any number of things that local government does that have a negative or potentially negative effect on the voters, taxpayers and citizens of Elk County or that leave a negative impression on visitors? 

[Ross]

Do you know what each of them do to earn their living?

What they do for a living has no bearing what so ever with the job we the taxpayers pay them to do.
They as elected officials have an obligation to do the very best for all of Elk County, and not exclusively for a privately owned company such as Elk Konnected, LLC   or any other company they might be affiliated with. Don't you understand. Two are Konnected Kounty Kommissioners, get it?
What is it you don't understand about
Ethic's        Principles?            Loyalties?       And so many other things involved.     

Any time a public leader of any group doesn't do what some people want they are ganged up on. Believe me I know.

It is an accepted fact, nothing new there.

Do you think people of leadership do it for their health? Not hardly. They do it for the good of others. I think that some of this has gone to far.

They are not suppose to do it for the good of others --- such as Elk Konnected, LLC  
They should be doing the job for the good of the whole county as Mr. Ritz does, don't you think.

I haven't posted on this for a long time. But some of the things you say about these people are just wrong.

Please provide some substantial information. This statement by you is totally wrong. Just blowing hot air.

If I was to call up Jennifer, while not workin, and ask her to help me do something she would be right there to help. The same is with our commissioners.

Big deal, I have friends I can call 24 hours a day, 7 days a week and receive help if needed. And I would do the same for them. And it has happened. So what's your point? What does that have to do with doing the job for the county they are paid to do? Just more smoke from you right?

But I'm not sure that if I called up any of you for help that you would be there to help.

Why would you call me? You don't even know me personally. I don't know you personally either.
Why wouldn't you just pick up the phone and dial a random number and ask for help? Not to smart there, making a statement such as this.

But I suppose if you needed help getting gravel for your driveway Mr. Leibau would be right there, with a bill for the material and the delivery of the material. Good job.

If you were broke down on the highway, I guarantee, I would stop and give a hand even if you told me, I'm Lookatmeknow I'd still do my best to help you on your way. So why make statements about people you don't personally know.

We are trying to teach our children not to bully, but that is all that you people know how to do. I don't agree with some of the things that go on with the county, but to sit and make a post on the internet to bash these people does no good, yet you continue to keep doing it.

I personally am not bashing anyone. I am pointing out the politically incorrect actions of our elected officials and their Konnection with Elk Konnected, LLC    I believe, I am entitled to my political opinion, which Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Liebau called vile in a bullying manner during a County Commissioners meeting.

I have also pointed out on numerous occasions that the, Founding Member of Elk Konnected, LLC    Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Hendricks said in an open letter that because of the problems with a certain community Elk Konnected, LLC    came about. She also stated that Elk Konnected, LLC   never intended to diss the community of  Elk Falls, she stated this at a County Commissioners meeting as a Konnected Kounty Kommissioner. But yet, the open letter remains out there and no statements that the County Commissioners should respect the City Councils decisions to govern their own communities.  So really, who is doing the bashing.

I choose to talk to the leaders and express my concerns with words that are fitting for my 7 year old child to use and see. It's sad.

I just bet! But, as I understand you won't listen to the most important county leader that is a part of/in your life.
You know, you could learn a lot from that man if you just became lookatmelearn instead of lookatmeknow.

When we moved Severy and Moline schools to Howard, we united our kids, but the adults in this county just don't want to unite at all. Fight, fight, and fight some more of roads that have been bad for so many years that it will take at least that many years to get them up to shape, or how we are going to spend some wind farm money. Really!!

When you have adults forming organizations which appear to be solely for the purpose of control by deception and manipulation, you should expect problems. Lookatmeknow should surely know the simple problems that this renders', otherwise, why lookatmeknow?

When such organization just blows smoke and refuses to provide answers to the why's and wherefores'
And Who? What? Where? When? Why? And How? They should expect even more questions?
But surely lookatmeknow would know that and at the same time be able to recognize the real problem.

If all of this political stuff is so elusive to you perhaps you should go back to the beginning of this thread and read and learn so you can actually know.

Try please, To Figure out the difference between friendships and politics.

[Ross]

Steve, the only way exceedingly small, dying communities survive AT ALL is if the peoples within those borders ARE united in their efforts.  It is all that "I am an island, watch me wither away" that is crap.  Angie, you are dead on, as always.  And yes, Old Timer...There have been real attempts at divide and conquer going on for some time here.  Makes you wonder what their agenda is, doesn't it?  Why so intent on deflecting attention away from themselves?  Why the witch hunts on people who would rather live in peace but choose to put themselves in the public eye, thereby putting a bullseye on themselves for those who do nothing but carp instead of doing anything constructive?  Let the howls of indignation commence...  

Do you folks even give any thought to what you say?

Have you even read this thread?

If so you should understand the division caused by and exasperated by none other then the privately owned company Founded by our elected county commissioner, hence the name Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Hendricks. If you were to read this thread carefully you should have no  problem understanding the division, the manipulation, and the control factors involved as well as the political ramifications involved.

Show me anything Elk Konnected, LLC has done that is constructive? Just show me? They run around looking for "Beggar-Thy-Neighbor" money, which has been proven? They hand out lollipops, big deal?

It is my opinion they exploit the children of Elk County by handing out lollipops. If the real and actual communities received the recreational funds the Elk Konnected, LLC uses to advertise themselves then perhaps the actual/real communities could do more for their own children.

Which in my opinion would be a whole lot better for the communities.

Wake up. Please.