We Get It, Do You?

[Varmit]

50% of what? Nobody  is going to want their personal projects or states affected. I've got an even better idea. Give the country back to the original 13 states to run like the forefathers did.Things were great until the rest of the states started sneaking in! Or how about this. Dump the house ,drop 50 senators and the country could be run down at the diner not far from the Capitol. No projects that are good for any states. No subsidies of any kind,  no depletion allowances or allowing anybody's cattle to graze on public lands. No water rights or mineral rights on public lands. Nobody gets special treatment. A small flat tax for everybody with no deducts. No survivors benefits with SS. Make sure you die by 65 so you'll never run out of money. All Gov't jobs are volunteer...no pay.

I like it, save for a few points...

1.  The Gov't should stick to the Constitution.  Programs to be cut are the ones not mentioned in it.  Such as Dept. of Education, Enegry, Justice, transportation, welfare.  Let the states decide what is best for themselves and their citizens.

2.  A flat 10% tax on income, no deductions.  No sales tax unless the states vote on it.

You know what, i agree to drop SS and welfare.  But you got one problem with SS, the govt owes those who paid into it.  Sorry but we were forced into it, and were forced to pay for it and we deserve to get back what we paid.  I say drop SS for anyone 30 and under, let those who have paid into it pay out and then go from there.  
Furthermore, the Government should not own property.  Release all the public lands and sell them off. Would be a massive savings for the taxpayer.  An even better idea is to take those of the 13 colonies that wish to keep it the way it is and let them form their own country and see how long they make it.  I am quite sure that after the other peoples money runs out from the socialism, that they would be doing what mexicans are doing and we would have to implement border security along the eastern border.

1.  Yes, drop SS but not just for those under 30, but for everybody, regardless of how long a person might have paid into it.  Afterall, there is no contract saying that a person is "owed" taht money by the gov't.  Remember this little tidbit Steve, "The voters think they are entitled to these payments. "After all, we paid for this." No, they didn't. They paid for whatever the government wanted to pay for when it collected the taxes – not "premiums."  A bitter pill to swallow, but needs doing none the less.

2.  I agree that Gov't shouldn't own land, but not all land should be sold off.  National parks (yellowstone, grand canyon, yosemite etc) should stay open for all to enjoy, and not fall into private ownership.  

3.  As for division of the country, no way.  America, now more than ever, needs to present a united front.  

[srkruzich]

1.  Yes, drop SS but not just for those under 30, but for everybody, regardless of how long a person might have paid into it.  Afterall, there is no contract saying that a person is "owed" taht money by the gov't.  Remember this little tidbit Steve, "The voters think they are entitled to these payments. "After all, we paid for this." No, they didn't. They paid for whatever the government wanted to pay for when it collected the taxes – not "premiums."  A bitter pill to swallow, but needs doing none the less.

I'm sorry but we were forced to pay into it.  Not voluntary.  There is a implied contract given when we are forced to pay into that system with a promise given that we would get it back in our later years.   has nothing to do with a bitter pill. IF I HAD VOLUNTARILY given that money then yeah, its a bitter pill.  But thankfully I personally won't be subject to that pill one day.  For myself, I'll tell you, i would rather be working making some money than having to live on nothing.  ANYONE that thinks living on SS is so wonderful needs to do the same themselves for 2 or 3 years.  You will find it's a miserable existence.  God willing i will be off of it in 5 years. 

[Varmit]

Steve, thats the point, there is no contract, implied or otherwise.  People just THINK there is.  Read the fine print.  If we are going to cut it for one age group, then we cut it for all.

[kshillbillys]

Varmit,
    Just exactly what kind of pirate are you? I'm just wondering, not curious, at least not as curious as you might be...
                                                                                            Robert

[srkruzich]

Steve, thats the point, there is no contract, implied or otherwise.  People just THINK there is.  Read the fine print.  If we are going to cut it for one age group, then we cut it for all.

Varmit you don't get the point.  THey took that money by force, and if they choose to try and take it away from me i and most US worker will use force too to keep it.  IF this does happen, you will find a bunch of bluehairs going to war.

[Varmit]

"...Bluehairs going to war"??  I doubt it.  Bluehairs allowed it to be taken in the first place, and they are the ones that are taking it from the workers now.  But aside from that, can you show proof that folks are entitled to recieve SS?  That it is a "Right"? 

[srkruzich]

"...Bluehairs going to war"??  I doubt it.  Bluehairs allowed it to be taken in the first place, and they are the ones that are taking it from the workers now.  But aside from that, can you show proof that folks are entitled to recieve SS?  That it is a "Right"? 

A right, no its not a right guaranteed by the constitution but it is a contract in that they forced you to pay for it with the promise that it would there when you need it.  You can't get out of paying it, unless.... you don't work. IF you don't work you die.  That is extortion. So if they don't deliver, then they are nothing more than extortionists.   If that isn't a reason to go to war with them then you know i don't know what is.

I suspect that in the near future, they will fix the problem.  My belief is that there will be something come along like the AUAG strain of hep that will be delivered somehow into the population that is modified so that it targets elderly.  THey have the ability now to genetically modify a virus so that it targets certain groups of people. 

Don't think it can't happen.  Imagine what would happen if they killed off 4 billion people world wide....

[Varmit]

Look, all I'm saying is that SS if a fraud, its broke.  The very premise of it is flawed in thats its based on an unchanging ratio of workers to retirees.  The real extortionists are the ones collecting it, living off of it.  Now, people will say "I paid into it, I should get it back".  I understand what they're saying but at the same time, the money they are recieving was taken from somone else.  How is that not theft?  The recieveing of stolen property is illegal, is it not?  The whole thing needs to be done away with without anyone getting another penny.  The gov't included the SS fund into the general budget, which is empty, i.e. there is no money left in the SS fund. 

They don't need a virus or whatever that targets a specific group, all they need is the control of the healthcare system.  I fgrandma doesn't get her heart pills or the surgery she needs, she dies.  Problem solved.  And they can always hide behind the "we just don't have the money" whine.  But if things keep going the way they are we won't even reach that point.  With the continued devaluation of our dollar, the gov't thinking they can fix it by flooding the system with worthless currency, we are more and more beginning to resemble the Weimar republic. And we know what that leads to.  Which frankly, in a way, I think that is exactly what this county needs, a Revolution.  We need to get rid of the "something for nothing" crowd and hit the Reset button on what this country has become.

[Diane Amberg]

Groups could opt out of of SS for years, so there are still people in programs that started before, I think 1986, that do not pay into SS and it isn't "stolen" from them either. They had another pension option, and took it, There are still groups who work who can chose to opt out. When I started teaching in 1966 I could opt out. I did not have to have SS withheld because I had a state pension option.  It was my choice. Police, fire, teachers, ministers, certain religious sects didn't have to either. i don't know how it is now, but it used to be kids didn't have to if they had simple jobs like baby sitting and seasonal and part time people didn't either. My grandpa had a railroad pension, chose not to take SS also. Al's aunt, a teacher in Philly didn't take it either. She had a Philly School System pension.

[Varmit]

So, its an "either/or" option.  Either you have your own pension fund, or you take SS.  How about this though, what if I don't plan on retiring?  What if I choose to work until the day I die?  So theres no need to set a "retirement fund", now I have to pay into SS.  A forced choice option, is no choice at all.