Parts for Armi San Marco Remington?

[I Ben Robbed]

Tried this without success on the SASS website.  Anyone know where I can find parts for an Armi San Marco built '58 Remington?  The grips are Uberti style, and the cylinder is the same as my Piettas.  Other parts just dont match anything else I've seen (such as the trigger and trigger guard).  I was told that ASM became AWA?  But AWA is closed isnt it?  These companies change and merge and morph faster than a man can blink. 

[sundance44`s]

Look no further pard .. just bought one myself off the net last month .. i checked around and you can get yer parts at ..Deer Creek Products  765 525-6181  i don`t think they have a web site but i called them to see what all they had in stock . they assured me they had all the small parts and new guns too , they seemed like nice folks  to deal with .

[I Ben Robbed]

Ha!  Awesome, thank you much!  I'll be making an order this week.  This badly neglected old gun is going to live! 

Its interesting.  They either mixed and matched their design from both Uberti and Pietta, or they came up with some of the same ideas on their own.  There's something I like about it though, and I'm not givin up on it. 

Thanks again for the info!

[sundance44`s]

ASM actually produced some models that Uberti and Pietta didn`t .. the one i bought is a dual tone high polished stainless frame . blue barrel and cylinder ... and yes it did grow on me ...lol  glad i could help ya !

[I Ben Robbed]

This one is a brass frame with "white" barrel and cylinder.  There are no grips on it now, as the ones that came with it were very sad looking and very poorly fitted.  The front sight is bigger than my Piettas, looks like a pic I saw of an Uberti.  So do the grip's shape.  The hammer also seems like its different than my Piettas.  The cylinder has different shaped notches for the bolt and the bolt itself is far different in shape than my Piettas.  The "safety" notches on the rear face of the cylinder are also different.  However the size of the cylinder is exactly the same as my Pietta, they interchange nicely and the gun will index the Pietta cylinder smoothly.  The trigger is different from either one, as far as I can tell.  It sits all the way to the rear of the trigger guard, and barely moves when you pull it to fire the gun.  There is like 1/2 an inch of travel.  I've done alot of cleaning and polishing on it inside and out, but there's alot of work yet to be done.  The loading lever is out, the plunger was missing when I bought it.  There are also no nipples in the cylinder, I'll have to figure out what size it takes.  I'll try to post some pics of it after I get them out of my cell phone camera thingie.

[I Ben Robbed]

[sundance44`s]

That is odd that your Pietta cylinders will fit it .. it isn`t that way with mine the Pietta cylinders i have are too long . maybe ASM changed things a lot .. i don`t know .

[Capt, Woodrow F. Call]

Howdy Ben.

I'm sorry to say, that ASM is history, they shut down there fabric around 97, after my info . I have some problems my self to get some parts for my Colt ASM...(Recoilplate) .

You can use Uberti parts, but there are some differends among ASM and Uberti parts....ASM is made more slim and smooth, but Uberti is more rough around the edges, you have to make some adjustment to make it work.

I have make many adjustment on my guns. Some parts have i get from
http://www.e-gunparts.com/forum/forums.asp, and they worked fine.

For my recoilplate....i have to make it my selfe .
ASM is good product, but you have to get all the tools in this world to get it fixed, there is so many types of screw's and stuff in differends sizes ....it's like a Italian car ........he..he thats why i drive Chev Pick-up .....well that was out of line ......send me a PM, about your missing parts, mabye i can provide some parts for you.

BR
Capt Call.

[I Ben Robbed]

I did try egunparts.com.  They list all the parts for the ASM '58 Remmie as "out of stock".    All I really need to make it a shooter right now is nipples for the cylinder and grips.  I can even fudge and use the Pietta cylinders, as I noted they work in the gun.  The nipples from the Pietta cylinder wont fit in the ASM cylinder though.  Go figure.  CVA was the seller originally, but they dont list cap and ball pistols on their website now and I never heard back from them when I wrote for info.

[Sunwapta Haze]

All I really need to make it a shooter right now is nipples for the cylinder and grips.  I can even fudge and use the Pietta cylinders, as I noted they work in the gun.  The nipples from the Pietta cylinder wont fit in the ASM cylinder though. 

You might want to give the folks at Thunder Ridge a call.  They seem to have nipples to fit any C&B.  I bought a set of Treso nipples from them for an older (c. 1973) Uberti C&B.  They do list nipples for Army San Marco (11-50-16) though it is possible that you need 6x75mm "Old Italian Rev" (11-50-10) nipples. 

Their web site link is : http://thunder-ridge-muzzleloading.com/parts_nipples.htm

[I Ben Robbed]

That tip for Deer Creek was right on the money!  Not only did they have the parts in stock, the lady on the phone knew exactly what I was talkin about when I described the gun to her.  These people are right on it!  Great customer service too.  Dang shame they dont have better advertising, I'da given em my business a long time ago.

At least I got a catalog. 

[sundance44`s]

Good deal Ben ! Im glad i found the right source .. i didn`t need any parts at the time i called them , but they sure seemed like good people to deal with , wish they would get an internet site . I `ll have to put a star by their name in my little book . thanks for letting us know .

[I Ben Robbed]

Last of the parts has been tracked down and arrived UPS tonight.  I'll start putting her back together tomorrow after work.  Only one thing........

They got the parts correct, right down to the unfinished grips that came with the kit gun to start!  Arrrgh!  I dont have the tools or the knowhow to finish up these grips, and they dont sell finished grips for the ASM.

I checked at Dixie Gun Works and they have a set I THINK will fit, all it says is "fits most Italian clones".  That makes me a bit suspicious, but I'm gettin desperate.  Waitin on an email back from them on that one. 

[sundance44`s]

Ben Dixie gun works has a lot of parts but ... on the 1858 remmies they sell the same parts for all models ..scarey when it comes to grips .. you may have a lot of sanding to do ..if they are made to fit the Piettas too ..Vti sells finished grips to fit the Piettas and Ubertis .. i would think the Uberti grips would come closer to fitting the ASM ... i know they would on mine .. i have some Piettas and the grips are much too big for my ASM .. but i don`t have a Uberti to compair with ... just handled some before and know they are also the smaller frame . impossible to find parts for the remmies that fit right with out some fitting .. good luck ..

[Oldelm]

Howdy, Ben Robbed....I'm wondering how much you have to go before those Deer Creek ASM grips would finish up. Are they already drilled for the indexing pin on the bottom insides, and will they fit into the upper semicircular part at top of grip?  I had an ASM '58 Rem I bought off GunBroker one time, but returned it to seller because of problems. But while I had it I noticed that the grips were pretty much the same size as the smaller sized Armi San Paolo (ASP).  Here's a pic of an ASP grip layed on top of an Uberti grip (both '58 Rems)........


There's quite a difference not only in width but height, too,......so I'd quess that you'd be better off sticken with the ones you got from Deer Creek and fittin 'em to your gun, cause they're supposed to be ASM grips. That's why I asked just how much they've been fitted to an ASM frame already. If you can fit them on the frame, and there's holes on the inside of the grips that fit onto the pins at bottom of frame,....then just scrib the grip around the edge of frame on the inside. Then you'll have a reference line to finish file them to, and round over to suit you. Am I makin any sense?

I've made my own '58 Rem grips from scratch before, and it's  not as hard as it seems once you get started, and it's probably easier if they've been partially fitted to the frame. Those two points I mentioned,...the upper semicircle at top, and the inside pin at bottom,.....are the points to fit first, and are the hardest to get right. Good luck!

[I Ben Robbed]

Alrighty, here we go.  I tried several ways to go about shapin these grips.  I discovered I have no hidden talent for whittlin.  I also discovered my old knife holds a better edge for such work than I ever dreamed, and that the "xacto" wood carvin knife I bought was a poor second in every respect.  I threw it away.  Well, threw it in a corner anyway.  Now lets see if I can get a picture to work in here.  Please dont laugh, I did the best I could.  One of em I got a little overeager and "guesstimated" a bit too much on the area at the top so its got a bit of a gap.  I ordered another set of grips and I'll have another go at it after I sharpen my knife and take the gun out to shoot a few times. 







This was what it looked like when I brought it home.........

[I Ben Robbed]

Still have a bit of cleanin to do on the barrel, its still got some deep down rust pits that have to be fixed.  The inside of the barrel scared me when I saw all the rust but it cleaned up real nice and had very few pits in it and decent rifling.

Notice how far back the trigger sits in this ASM.  It has a very light trigger pull compared to my Piettas with no creep at all and once the rust was cleaned up the action works smoother than the Piettas as well.

The cylinder cleaned up nice, and I have a Kirst Konverter that I stripped the bluing off of that fits nicely and works in the ASM action properly.  The loading lever still is missing the plunger so I have to load the cylinder before putting it in the gun, but other than that the gun is complete and ready to shoot. 

I'll let yall know how it shoots after I get to try it out. 

[I Ben Robbed]

Almost forgot.  Here's a pic with the Kirst cylinder I fixed up for it.