Tombstone/OK corral thinking..

[Big Hext Finnigan]

Howdy,

In all the movies and tv shows about the Earps and all that stuff, there is never any question that Josephine was with Behan and that she ended up with Earp.

So how come this obvious source of conflict gets little attention?  Have I missed it? 

Just wondering ...   

[RRio]

Big Hext,
Actually, there is a lot of stuff that the movies do not cover. One thing that bothers me is the fact that they have Morgan being killed on the same night that Virgil was ambushed. Virgil was shot in Dec. '81, and Morgan was murdered in March '82.
The thing with Josephine was covered better in "Wyatt Earp" than it was in "Tombstone". But it was a major sore spot with John Behan.
Poor little Mattie ended up committing suicide outside of Superior, AZ and is buried in an unmarked grave outside of town. See Below.

Mattie's Grave


There's alot of good books on all of it. One that I am reading right now is : "Wyatt Earp  The Life Behind the Legend" by Casey Tefertiller. It is about the best I have read so far. There are a few to avoid if you want fact and not fiction.

[Big Hext Finnigan]

Thanks for the info..
I knew that Virgil and Morgan's attacks were at different times, didn't know that much about Mattie.

And while movies have to make the facts fit the story, I'm still curious why an obvious source of conflict like Josephine has been slighted.  It would never have worked in Tombstone, with Curly Bill and Ringo as the adversaries, but in Wyatt Earp, Behan was more of the main opposition..
Just noodling ..
Adios,

[RRio]

So far none of the W.E. books that I have read say a whole lot about Josephine, except that when she left Behan for Earp, it did create a tremendous amount of animosity between the two. The books say very, very little about Mattie.
I think it is sad that Wyatt drags her from Dodge City to Tombstone, pretty much abandons her after Josephine turns his head, and then Mattie ends up in a unmarked grave out in the middle of nowhere.

[Delmonico]

Another thing about "ALL" the movies on the OK corral, a thought that come to a fella that sees almost every one walk by a manniquin with a frock coat outfit and say Wyatt Earp or Doc Holliday.

Run this through yer brain!  If you were a Law Enforcement officer going to what you knew would most likey be a gun fight, would you wear yer good suit?  Cause if things went wrong someone would have to clean it up and patch it before the undertaker could put it on ya.

[Brazos Bucky Smith]

Have any of you read the account of the OK Corral incident on the CourtTV Website?  Speaks quite a bit about Josie, not much about Mattie, but some interesting things about Behann, Wyatt, and the rest.  and I agree with Rawhide, "Wyatt Earp" picked up considerably more detail than "Tombstone". BUT, I still like the Characters, firearms, and  action of "Tombstone!

BB

[Delmonico]

Fellow was in the shop one day, claimed to be writin' a script for a movie, a topic so different I think he was shootin' straight.  Had a wonderful talk with him for an hour or so.  He pointed out the Wyatt Earp/ Tombstone movies.  Wyatt Earp was the most correct and most said it was slow and boring.  Tombstone had more action and it is the one everyone likes.

I guess even us historians like to be entertained. 

As for the women in his life, folks back then were more hush hush about affairs and divorces.  It was not something most folks talked about, one wants to rember until recently most folks only heard what Wyatt or Stuart Lake wanted us to hear.

[Col. Riddles]

Many years ago I lived about 15 miles from Tombstone & struck up a friendship with an elderly rancher named Sid Wilson. Sid passed away in 1981 at the age of 107. Sid was a colorful character who could tell some stories (not tall tales) that he backed up with old newspaper clippings he kept in a scrapbook. Sid had been, in his lifetime, a Cochise County Dep. Sheriff, Dep. U.S. Marshal, cowboy, stagecoach driver (he drove the last stage run between Tombstone & Benson in 1905 when the railroad came through Tombstone & put the stage line out of business), Mayor of Tombstone and in the early 50's owner of the OK Corral.

Now Sid was a little shaver when the Earps resided in Tombstone and he didn't really know them. But as a teen & young adult he knew several residents who were adults & lived in Tombstone at the time.

At the time of the OK Corral gunfight Tombstone had two physicians that historians have all but overlooked, One was Dr. H.M. Matthews who was, at the time, Cohise County Coroner. The other was Dr. George Goodfellow who was considered the best surgeon in the county. Both doctors maintained offices above the Crystal Palace Saloon where Virgil Earp had his office while serving as Tombstone City Marshal.

It was Dr. Goodfellow who tended to Morgan and Virgil when they were shot. Sid told me that when he was a young man it was rumored about town  that Dr. Goodfellow had performed an abortion for Josephine Sarah Marcus at the time she was engaged to, and living with Johnny Behan. Sounds possible.

Dr. Goodfellow left Tombstone around 1888-90 and set up practice in San Francisco. He had the reputation of being the country's foremost expert on the treatment of gunshot wounds in the late 19th & early 20th centuries because of all the experience he obtained in his Tombstone years. He was also instrumental in saving the arm of another famous old west lawman, and friend of Sid Wilson's..... Jeff Milton.

Jeff had served as a deputy sheriff, Texas Ranger, Mounted Customs Inspector, Border Patrol agent, and City Marshal of El Paso. While Marshal he had a few altercations with John Wesley Hardin. During the last one he wrestled with Hardin & saved the life of a rustler Hardin was about to kill.

Finding the Marshal's job less than lucrative, Jeff hired on as a Wells Fargo express messenger on the Southern Pacific run from Benson, Arizona, to Guaymas, Mexico, many of its cargos being comprised of gold and silver bullion. Armed with food, sixgun, shotgun, and rifle, he escorted many valuable shipments, interspersing railway trips with horseback forays in search of border badmen. In the course of one of these posses, Jeff and his friend Scarborough, in a desperate gunfight, shot noted desperado Bronco Bill Walters and scattered his band from a mountain camp.

Lawman-turned-outlaw Burt Alvord and five confederates planned to raid the richly laden express car at Fairbank, Arizona, SW of Tombstone,  but took painful precautions that Jeff would be diverted and not guarding the car that day. Through chance, their ruse failed, and it was Milton who opened the car door and started passing out packages to the agent. Seeing whom they were faced with, the outlaws opened fire with high-powered rifles, shattering the bones in Jeff's left upper arm.

Shooting one-handed with his shotgun, Jeff dropped two of his antagonists, and rapidly weakening from loss of blood, he shut the door, concealed the keys in the safe, improvised a tourniquet, and passed out. Although the holdup men continued to shoot into the car and finally searched Milton for the keys, they were foiled.

The local sawbones wanted to amputate Milton's badly damaged left arm. But he would have none of it, He boarded a train for San Francisco & sought out the services of Dr. Goodfellow who was able to save the arm, but not the use of it.

After a long recuperation, Jeff emerged with a crippled left arm. Still dead game, his efforts were later largely responsible for the capture or death of the Alvord gang.

In 1904, Jeff was appointed to the unique position of Mounted Chinese Inspector. This was a job under the Immigration Service, then part of the Department of Commerce and Labor. The Border Patrol had not yet been organized, and Milton's commission came directly from President Theodore Roosevelt. Hordes of Chinese were being smuggled out of an antagonistic Mexico into the U.S., which prohibited their entry. Milton's riding job was much the same as it had been with Customs, and he covered over the many ensuing years much of the same area of southern Arizona. A healthy, horseback life kept him zestful and young. Still single, he raised a little harmless hell from time to time and "covered the ground he stood on."

Though catching Chinese was somewhat less challenging to the veteran, he made the most of it, seasoning his days with personal combats, guiding, and prospecting. In 1919, Milton married Mildred Taitt of New York and at least went through the motions of settling down. That same year, he was assigned to assist in guarding a boatload of Russian radicals comprised of Emma Goldman and her followers on their deportation to Russia. Jeff lusted for trouble and stocked up on extra ammunition, but to his disappointment, the crossing was tranquil.

Jeff's life in the desert with his scores of friends continued. When he turned 70, his services were still considered so valuable that he was asked to continue for two years. And a last, in 1932, a government economy move forced him into retirement at Tombstone, Arizona.

Among U.S. Border Patrolmen today, Jeff Milton remains known as "the first Border Patrolman." He moved to Tucson, where his old comrades of the Border Patrol surreptitiously watched over him, although he needed little of that until the end, which came May 7, 1947.

Jeff was Cremated, and his ashes were scattered over his beloved desert.

[RRio]

Thanks Col.! Good stuff!
I found the following on a Tombstone site. I though it was interesting also.

"If that story about Morgan having a Son in Benson is nothing but a rumor, it seems to be a lot of smoke being created without any fire.

That rumor has floated around Benson and old Arizona since territorial days and is still being circulated.

There was an old man who often played pool in a Benson bar and grill in the late 70s early 80s. He certainly had an Earp appearance, squinted eyes, a gray, thick mustache, an almost full head of gray hair. He had a serious facial expression, never smiled, never talked and always looked like he was staring into the distance between his turn at pool. It seemed ironic that he was frequently at that pool table.

I made a comment to someone in the bar that the elderly man looked like an Earp. I was told that he was Morgan Earp's Grandson, although his last name was not Earp.

I made many stops at that bar after 82 but never saw him again and nobody seemed to know where he went? Someone said they thought he actually lived in Patagonia.

I know that there is no way to prove this one way or the other but it is very interesting and fun rumor to think about."

[Col. Riddles]

That's interesting too RR. I never heard that story when I lived down there. But I didn't hang out in bars & pool rooms either. So it's no wonder I never heard it.

[Col. Riddles]

Celia Ann "Mattie" Blaylock was Wyatt's 2nd (common law) wife. She was born in 1850 in Wisconsin, but raised in Fairfax, Iowa. Apparently, she ran away from home at the age of 16 and made her way to Kansas, stopping first in Scott City and then moving to Dodge City.

While touring the west in various employment capacities, Wyatt met "Mattie" either in Fort Scott or Dodge, possibly as early as 1873. By this time, the Earp brothers began to have investments in brothels and gambling parlors. (It is the common theory that Mattie, as well as several of the other Earp brother's wives, was a prostitute.) She was certainly his "common-law" wife by 1879 when they left Dodge for the booming mine town of Tombstone, Arizona.

In Tombstone, Republican Wyatt and his brothers' business interests - bars, gambling houses, and brothels - became in direct conflict with the Democratic Clanton family interests. While Wyatt was out making money and chasing down criminals, Mattie was supposed to have developed an addiction for laudanum, a common painkiller of the day, an opium distillate in liquid form.

After the gunfight, Clanton killers sought revenge, wounding Virgil and murdering Morgan. The Earps left Tombstone. Mattie traveled with the Earp survivors to Colton, California where they joined up with Wyatt's parents. However, at some point, she left them and ended up in Globe, Arizona where she returned to prostitution. She told her friends her husband had destroyed her life when he deserted her. Tragically, she died of a laudanum overdose on July 3, 1888 in Pinal, Arizona.

Mattie Earp's existence was not conclusively known until the 1940's. Earp biographer Stuart Lake knew of the existence of Mattie Earp, but covered it up.


Wyatt Earp married his childhood sweetheart Urilla Sutherland on January 10, 1870 at Lamar, Missouri. His father N.P. Earp, the Justice of the Peace, performed the ceremony. Unfortunately she died in child birth that same year. She is the only woman that Wyatt married in a legal ceremony that we know of.



Josie was 19 & Wyatt was 36 when she took up with him. Just found some new info about their marriage.  They were married in Parker, Ariz. in 1888 and travelled extensively throughout the west, including 4 years in Alaska, where Wyatt ran the Dexter saloon in Nome.

Returning from Alaska, they ran the Northern saloon in Nevada and then returned to California for prospecting and retirement.

Wyatt died on Jan. 13, 1929, in Los Angeles. Wyatt and Josephine are buried in the Jewish section of the Hills of Eternity Cemetery in Colma CA. Their gravestone says: "Nothing so sacred as Honor and Nothing so loyal as love."


Josephine Earp later in her life. A bit of trivia: Wyatt and most of their friends called her "Sadie", a nickname derived from her middle name, Sarah. She is more often referred to as "Josie

At the end of the movie Tombstone Josie tells Wyatt not to worry that her family is rich. That is true. Josephine Sarah Marcus was the daughter of the man who later became a partner in the Dallas exclusive department store Neiman-Marcus. In the teens & 20's they occasionally lived with her parents in San Francisco.

[Beauregard Hooligan]

Howdy Folks,

     Casey Tefertiller delves into the Earp/Marcus/Behan romance triangle in his book "Wyatt Earp: The Life Behind the Legend". In his opinion, the romance gone bad (for Behan) was one of the causes for the enmity between Wyatt Earp and John Behan, along with the disagreement between Earp and Behan over the position as Sheriff of Cochise County. Tefertiller sees Behan as the instigator of the animosity between the Earp/Holiday group and the Clanton/McClaury faction, seeking to punish the Earps for losing his paramour. Men can do very venomous things over lost love, and this seems to fill in the existing gap of motivation, possibly explaining the animosity between John Behan and Wyatt Earp.
      The missing element from the Tombstone tale that I find most interesting is the complete absence of Warren Earp in the filmed versions of the events preceding, and subsequent to, the street fight. His presence, reuniting the entire Earp clan, seriously disturbed Allie Earp (Virgil's wife). She saw the united Earps as a cause to expect trouble, as the five brothers were a serious threat to any opposition (despite James Earp's infirmity), and more likely to promote serious problems. Allie saw the united brothers as a "death squad". With Doc Holiday thrown into the mix, the Earp's were enough trouble to cause most hard cases to step aside. Warren was a bit of a "hot head", and had wanted to take more direct action against Behan and the Clantons prior to the fight in Tombstone. He was very upset that he missed the showdown. Warren was in Benson on the day of the street fight, but was a full participant in the vengeance ride and the murders following the assassination of Morgan. The group that went after Morgan's suspected killers were Wyatt, Warren, Doc Holiday, Sherman McMasters, Creek Johnson, and Texas Jack Vermillion. Both "Tombstone" and "Wyatt Earp" had the vengence posse numbering five, not six. But like Morgan, Warren would meet his end at the barrel of a gun, several years later in New Mexico.
      I have never understood why some elements of these events have taken on such mythic proportions. Heck, look at the title: "Gunfight at the O.K. Corral". This misnomer has survived 122 years, several movies, and numerous well researched books.  The action took place in an empty lot next to Fly's boarding house, not the photo parlor depicted in "Tombstone". Doc lived there, and the presence of men who had threatened to kill the Earps and Holiday outside Doc's lodging was one reason that the Earps were disturbed. Then there is the confusion over the background and end of the "lethal" gunslinger Johnny Ringo. In the "Tombstone" version, we had Doc killing Ringo at the end of the vengence ride, when Ringo died long after the Earp posse had gone their separate ways. The Ringo legend and lies are almost as interesting as the events in Tombstone.
    Adios,

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[RRio]

Beauregard Hooligan,

I am in the middle of that book, and I am really enjoying it. Thanks to Stuart Lake and Hollywierd, among others, the whole story became a muddled mess. It must have taken a lot of research by these newer writers to sort through all the BS.
I just happened to find a special  Doc Holliday issue of True West in my stack that I have not read before. A couple of things in there made a lot of stuff fall in together. I'll try to post one of the articles later.

[Big Hext Finnigan]

Thanks guys,

I'm glad to see that the issue hasn't been neglected in research.  I was just curious that the clearly fertile ground wasn't used more in film.

And I'll also join in the chorus:  Don't learn your history from the movies!

Adios,

[RRio]

As promised, here is the letter that was found in a book(" My Nine Years as Governor of the Territory of New Mexico, 1897-1906" by Miguel A. Otero, Jr,) that the co-author of the article (Chuck Hornung), bought at a flea market. The article referenced, "the Split" by Chuck Hornung and Gary L. Roberts was in the True West, December 2001 issue. The letter was a carbon copy written by Miguel A. Otero, Jr.



Dear Old Friend,
It was good to hear from you and to learn all is well in Albuquerque.
Yes, I knew Wyatt Earp. I knew him to be a gentleman and he held a reputation of being an excellent law officer. I knew the Earp brothers first in Kansas, but did not see much of them after that time. My father knew them best. I knew Doc Holliday at Las Vegas and told that adventure in My Life on the Frontier [VoL] 1.
I tired [tried] to help them in their quest to stay in New Mexico following the Tombstone trouble. The Lake bookyou mentioned [Wyatt Earp, Frontier Marshal] did not relate the matter.
Earp and Holliday and some others stayed in Albuquerque a couple of weeks while [New Mexico Governor] Sheldon and the powers of the Santa Fe [Railroad] and Wells Fargo tried to work out some kind of arrangement, [sic]

Earp (Wyatt) stayed at Jaffa's home and the other boys were around town. Jaffa gave Earp an overcoat from his store, Earp's had been ruined in a fight with the Cow-boys. I remember that cold wind even today. I do not. remember that the boys had much money.

Father sent me to see to the comfort of the Earp posse because his railroad supported the boys. Earp had a long meeting with the president of Wells Fargo, but I cannot say about the direction of the talk.
One afternoon I drove Earp and Jaffa to the river to see them building the new bridge. Earp remarked how it reminded him of the big bridge at Wichita.

    Some days later, Earp and Holliday had a falling out at Fat Charlie's one night. They were eating when Holliday said something about Earp being a Jew boy. Something like Wyatt are you becoming a damn Jew boy? Earp became angry and left. Charlie said that Holliday knew he had said it wrong, he never saw them together again. Jaffa told me later that Earp's woman was a Jewess. Earp did mu--(illegible/mezuzah?) when entering his house.

Wells Fargo arranged safety in Colorado and the road gave them passage to Trinidad. I remember that Blonger and Armijo kept watch over the boys. I was able later, when governor, to reward Armijo for that favor to my father. That is all I know about the Earps.
My health is not good at present. I spend much time confined to my bed. I am glad you found my new book of interest. My best to "the Mrs. and season's greetings to all.

Yours sincerely yours,

[Col. Riddles]

Sorry Beau, but Warren wasn't killed in New Mexico.

Long overshadowed by the gunfight at the OK Corral, the shooting of Warren Earp by Johnny Boyett on July 6, 1900, is finally beginning to capture the attention of Wild West enthusiasts. The following is an account of the event which appeared in the Willcox Arizona Range News on July 11, 1900. The newspaper account raises almost as many questions as it answers. We hope to provide more discussion of this event as research continues.

WARREN EARP KILLED

Warren Earp was shot and killed by John Boyett at 1:30 Friday morning at the Headquarter saloon. It was the culmination of an ill feeling which had existed between the two men for a number of years. From evidence given at the preliminary hearing last Saturday it developed that their last quarrel began in the restaurant in the rear of the saloon. Both men came into the saloon and Earp told Boyett that he (Boyett) had been offered $100 or $150 by parties in town here to kill him. Boyett denied this and told Earp he did not want any trouble, but added that if he had to fight him that he was not afraid. Earp told Boyett to go get his gun, and said that he was fixed.

Boyett stepped out through the front door of the saloon, walked over to the Willcox House. The proprietor W.R. McComb was in the office reading. Boyett walked behind the bar and helped himself to a couple of guns, and left the room. Mr. McComb called to him to come back and asked him why he took those guns. He replied that he might need them and would return soon. Before Mr. McComb could interfere Boyett had already left the room.

Boyett thereupon went back into the saloon, entering at the front door and wanted to know where Earp was. Earp entered through the rear door and Boyett fired two shots at him, Earp disappeared through the same door he had entered; then he went from the restaurant through a side door out on the side walk and in a few minutes he entered the saloon again through a side door. He advanced towards Boyett. Opening his coat he said: "You have the best of this, I have no gun." Boyett told him repeatedly not to advance or he would shoot. Earp still kept advancing and Boyett backed off towards the front door. Finally Boyett again repeated his warning not to advance another inch or he would shoot. Earp not heeding, Boyett fired, and Earp dropped dead.

The officers were notified and Deputy Sheriff Page, George McKittrick and Jim Hardin appeared on the scene. George McKittrick arrested Boyett and placed him in jail. Upon examination a pocket knife half opened was found in Earp's hand but aside from this he was unarmed. The next morning Judge W.E Nichols impaneled a coroner's jury.

Dr. Nicholson made an examination of the dead man and found the bullet had entered the left side two inches below the collar-bone passing from left to right and obliquely downward lodging in the skin under the left shoulder blade passing through the heart in its course.

The jury rendered a verdict that Earp came to his death from a bullet fired by from a gun in the hands of Johnny Boyett. Friday afternoon the remains of Earp were buried in the cemetery.

Saturday at 1 o'clock Boyett had a preliminary hearing before Judge W.F. Nichols. District Attorney Land was unable to appear for the prosecution, while 0. Gibson represented the defendant. After hearing evidence of the prosecution, on motion of Mr. Gibson, the defendant was discharged, Judge Nichols taking the ground that it was a case in which he thought the grand jury would not find an indictment, or if an indictment was found, a trial jury would fail to convict.

Arizona Range News, July 11, 1900


A subsequent issue of the newspaper linked Earp's death with the events at Tombstone in the early eighties. Though Warren was not present at the shootout at the OK Corral he arrived in Tombstone shortly after that event. When Morgan Earp was killed, Warren was with Wyatt and Doc Holliday as they escorted their brother's body to the train in Tucson. When Frank Stilwell, who they believed killed Morg, was killed in the Tucson train depot, a warrant was issued against Wyatt and Warren for murder along with Doc Holliday, Jack Johnson and Sherman McMasters. The Earps contended that Stilwell's attempted murder of Virgil and killing of Morgan justified their actions as self-defense. Warren returned to Tombstone briefly with Wyatt afterward and was among the riders in the famous "vendetta ride" that following the killing of Morgan Earp.

Warren Earp, who had a reputation as a "merciless bully" was buried in the Willcox cemetery at the expense of Cochise County.

Virgil Earp sneaked into Willcox under an assumed name, checked into the hotel near Brown's Saloon, and began interviewing witnesses. He concluded his brother's death was "cold blooded murder even if Warren was drunk and abusive at the time." Thinking someone else was involved, possibly Pete Spencer, the old and crippled lawman vowed "not to rest until the real culprit is run to earth and killed, for he more than Boyett is responsible."

It has been reported that Johnnie disappeared from the Willcox scene, which led writers to speculate that Warren had been avenged. Not so. Johnnie sought the protection of a deputy sheriff, returned to work for Hooker, and according to Allie, Virgil's wife, eventually retired to Redlands, California."
Recent findings show that Johnnie Boyett was not killed by the Earps despite many claims to the contrary, but moved to Texas and is buried there.

Warren Earp is buried in the Pioneer Cemetery in Willcox, AZ a short jaunt from the Rex Allen Museum.

The exact location of Warren Earp's grave is in doubt. When Warren Earp was buried, the location was never marked.  The county corner and a local funeral director each said that the location of Warren's grave could be any of four different graves. The marker is more of a memorial to a person who made the old west interesting.

James Earp

died in Los Angeles, January 25, 1926, of a stroke at the age of 84 and is buried in Mountain View Cemetery, in San Bernardino.

James had two children, a son Frank & a daughter Hattie.

Virgil Earp

died Oct. 19, 1905 in Goldfield, Nv. (where he was working as a Esmarelda County deputy sheriff) of pneumonia.  He is buried in Riverview Cemetery, Portland, Or. Virgil had a daughter by his first wife that he did not know about until late in life. He married his first wife when he was 17 and she was 15. They soon seperated because both of their familes were enraged at their marriage at such a young age.

[RRio]

Warren Earp, who had a reputation as a "merciless bully" was buried in the Willcox cemetery at the expense of Cochise County.

Makes you wonder if he wasn't living on his big brothers reputation, don't it?

[Col. Riddles]

You know Rawhide, I think you may have just hit the nail on the head there. He was riding on the coat tails of Virg & Wyatt for many years.  But he finally tangled with someone he couldn't intimidate or bully.

[Brazos Bucky Smith]

 

Now how come do you think he came to be buried in Portland, Oregon?  Anything in his career that ties him to Oregon?  I will have to drop by Riverview one of these days and take a gander at any monument that may be there.  The location is just off I-5 overlooking the Willilamette River in southwest Portland.  Beautiful view if you like those kinda places.

BB

[RRio]

Now how come do you think he came to be buried in Portland, Oregon?  Anything in his career that ties him to Oregon?  I will have to drop by Riverview one of these days and take a gander at any monument that may be there.  The location is just off I-5 overlooking the Willilamette River in southwest Portland.  Beautiful view if you like those kinda places.

BB

His daughter(first marriage 1860), that he did not know he had until a couple years before his death, requested that he be buried close to her in Oregon. Apparently, Allie was okay with that.