Cimarron Uberti R/M Type II Arbor Question

[Hair Trigger Jim]

I've seen references to dressing down the arbor for this test, but don't recall anyone ever specifying that just burrs should be removed.  So I appreciate the clarification.  Not that I've ever tried (or needed) to do the test, but that may change as I recently got ahold of a few open tops.  But they're all Pietta except for one Colt that I'm planning to resell.  And I'm not dressing anything down on it!

[MikeM.]

45 Dragoon I am very sorry, I was just wishing Crow Choker luck on his hunt. I meant no disrespect. I appreciate this awesome and informative discussion and hope it continues.

[45 Dragoon]

45 Dragoon I am very sorry, I was just wishing Crow Choker luck on his hunt. I meant no disrespect. I appreciate this awesome and informative discussion and hope it continues.

Sorry,  I misunderstood! Makes sense now (I was planning out a build I'm doing this coming week and heavily distracted myself!! 🙄).
 2-3 days off can really mess with ya when you ain't used to it!!😆

Mike

Oh yeah .  .  .   Good luck C.C. !!!

[Coffinmaker]

  Oh Bother

PLUS ONE for The DRAGOON

[MikeM.]

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[45 Dragoon]

WHERE ART THOU ?!!

HEY THUTHER MIKE

[Crow Choker]

Go get em Crow!!

    LOL, took me for a 'loop' at first also when I saw yer post, but then I got it. Well, Monday evening when I penned that I was goin deer hunting, I had three good ground blinds (call em my sniper nests) to choose from, all have good deer traffic and 'the same ol same ol' happened. A blind directly north of me approx 200 yds had a half dozen deer walk within 30 yards of it and head SE, to far for a shot.

 This morning (Fri, Jan3) before sunrise as I started across my road (on foot) to head to a 'nest' approx 500 yds south of my house there were 12-15 deer standing (including Mr Big) in the field 20 yds from the road. I stopped and stared, still around 1/2 hr before legal shots can be taken half hr before sunrise in Ia. There was a pretty good I see you by all concerned, they then trotted off to the SE. Went to my stand, the wife advised me after enough light was available they were all east of where I was sitting 1000-1500 yds. None never did venture my way. How it goes sometimes. Have had deer right under my bow stands over the years when going out. Sometimes after things calm down, they will come back at times. Even shot one once that thought all was ok. One of the hazards of deer hunting!    Just a little thread hi-jacketing information that will be useless and forgotten as the sun rises and sets, rises and sets as Mickey's hands go around the clock.

[45 Dragoon]

What?!!!!!!!
 Did we get venison?  😁

[Crow Choker]

A slight miss-understanding.  The method I use does NOT remove a lot of metal from the Arbor or the bore in the Barrel Lug.  I "dress" out the burrs and tight spots Uberti leaves after machining.  I also disagree (a little) with Crow Choker, as over the DECADES I worked on Open Top Uberti guns I only ran into TWO.  Yep, just TWO Uberti open top guns that were almost right.  The rest were, in a word, ABYSMAL.

Coffinmaker--That's how interpreted your post, but I've read of what you're saying before and discussed it with ya. Reference Uberti and their famous short arbor, I've read what you've said before about only running across two in your days as a gunsmith that didn't have a short arbor, I can't help it that I 'DO' have two that no matter how you test, try, examine......the two Uberti's I have that have perfect arbors 'DO'. The other one I mentioned as having it so close that the thinnest paper I can think of would labor to fill the gap and that might even be to much. Like I penned, others here on CAS and others on The Muzzleloading forum and might be The High Road forum have mentioned they had Uberti's with proper arbors.

Tother Mike and I fix the same problem with Uberti, we just go about it in different ways.  In all honesty, neither method is "wrong" we just do the job differently.  I also have neat trick of just dropping a #10 stainless split washer down the Arbor hole.  That also works 98% of the time, but you do have to remember to put the washer back in after disassembly.

Very true about different routes to get the same conclusion. Sort of like five people at Point A all intending to get to Point B, but all take a different route based on familiarity of roads, preference of roads, towns to go through, scenery to see, places to chow down..... but they all end up at Point B.

I tried the SS split washer route on several cap guns once but didn't care for it as #1) On several guns I had to really push down hard with the barrel on my bench, hand around the grips to get enough gap clearance for the arbor wedge to be inserted. Several cappers didn't need the table push method but they needed firm pressure to get things mated up and to allow the wedge to be inserted. Was the same effect of having to long/to thick of a spring in some mechanical device. #2) On one capper the split washer took up so much room that the wedge couldn't even be inserted which would have necessitated in either trimming the wedge width or filing off some of the front of the arbor's wedge slot--both which were No-No's. I liked the simple fix of a washer stack, four thicknesses of brass washers to pick and chose from to get the proper stack to make a solid fit in the arbor hole, a few I even stoned down several of the thinnest washer of the four to get a proper arbor fit.

Coffinmaker Mike, like you I wonder and am amazed the 'who's who' at Uberti have never done the right thing and manufactured 'every' Uberti Colt open top frame revolver with proper clearances. It's not like they could be ignorant of the situation after all that has been said and written about it.

Mike, the 45 Dragoon----Nope 'no venison' today. Maybe tomorrow!!!!

Well, Again I typed probably to much, taken up too much space, probably be gettin a message from the Marshall about it, soooo, I'll close with this---"Good Night Mrs. Calabash, wherever you are!"      (Probably some that read this  will have no idea what I'm talking about)     

[45 Dragoon]

I'll close with this---"Good Night Mrs. Calabash, wherever you are!"      (Probably some that read this  will have no idea what I'm talking about)     

The "schnozz" of course!!!

Mike

[DeaconKC]

Love Jimmy's version of Frosty the Snowman!

[Coffinmaker]

  Good Grief

Saw Jimmy Durante perform live on stage in Las Vegas in the very early 70s.  A Great Talent.

[Crow Choker]

MikeM (guess there are three Mikes involved here) and/or anyone interested--FWIW I mentioned Larsen Pettifoggers guide on tuning Colt style open top revolvers and also dealing with the arbor check (which was originally posted on the now closed 'Open Range' forum) could be found in the Dark Arts section of the Darksiders Den. Original post by Noz still exists, but the Pettifogger guide will not show.

 It can be found on two posts here on 'STORM' in the 'sticky's' at the top of the section. Major 2 and Professor Marvel both posted the guide which both can be found in its entirety. Part 1 of 'Tuning a Pietta Revolver' (same tuning principals for a Uberti or any other open top Colt style revolver, maybe a few minor exceptions) shows how to check for a short arbor. Parts 3 and 4 of Pettifoggers guide of 'How to tune a Colt Open Top Revolver' show how to check arbor fit and his remedy of using Dillon reloading press brass cartridge check buttons.

 As I previously penned I did get some of the buttons to fix any short arbors in my Uberti's but have never taken the time to do so, rather took the fast route using stacks of four thin various thicknesses of brass washers using whatever thickness needed to correct gap. Not permanent, but effective. Just thought I'd make a note that the guide isn't available in the Dark Arts but available on the Storm sticky's.