Dead-eye Cowboy action shooting

[1961MJS]

Hi

Just bored and found this:

They look a lot like us in a lot of ways.  This guy even crawls around in the dirt and all.
Later

[Tascosa Joe]

Interesting, but he lost me when he recommended 38/357.  And I am not a fan of no dress code.

[1961MJS]

Hi

I ORIGINALLY bought a .45 Colt SAA and Winchester 92.  I also understand that buying .38 caliber lead is MUCH less expensive than .45 caliber lead.  I like the larger calibers, but like BUYING the smaller ones. 

The thing that I see being in the Good thing / Bad thing is the whole crawling around deal.  I know of at least 1 of the GAF members has had knee replacements.  None of us are getting younger, BUT the whole shooting round obstacles could be more appealing to the less aged and get more shooters.

Later

[Professor Marvel]

looks fun.
leave out the dirt crawling and its a winner!

special dispensation for the aged and gimpified, like myself....

re: cheap lead --- I am now taking old kitty litter buckets or drywall mud buckets  full of sand with me.
cardboard lid taped on - place em open end towards me behind targets.

As long as I hit withing a 1 foot by 1.5 foot square, I recover all my own lead.
Even easier than berm mining LOL

prof mumbles

[King Medallion]

Looks like fun, but group that I do CAS with doesn't have that kind of range to shoot in. We are more/less in the middle of the woods where the longest rifle shots are at best 30 yards. At least we're in the shade most of the time, biggest drawback are the skeeters and the walnuts. I do like the moving about the obstacles, not too keen on rolling in the dirt tho.

[Coffinmaker]

All in all, it amounts to a protest by a disgruntled CAS shooter.  Was brought up on the "other" forum some time ago and was severely panned.  Crawling around inna dirt is . . . . STUPID.  Not that I'm opinionated at all 

[ira scott]

The "Brutality" Matches are not meant to be an Old Man's game. A typical Cowboy Shooter, (60-70+ years old) would have a heart attack, stroke, dislocate "something", or get down on the ground and not be able to get back up. I think his point was recruiting B.M. shooters to shoot matches with Old West firearms, rather than changing the way current Cowboy Matches are run. IMO, if a SASS shooter gets bored, they can try NCOWS. We may not crawl around on the ground, but a match usually involves some history, and using the sights!  GAF Matches are also a great way to utilize Old West guns in a non-SASS traditional way.

B.N. Scotty

[Major 2]

Pretty much out of my realm of endeavor or END EVER 

Crawling on the ground, would be as a result of an uncoordinated mishap on my part, opposed to a competition.
It was interesting to watch the video though.

[River City John]

Always trying to reinvent the wheel.

There is no advantage, neither in shooting nor history, that NCOWS hasn't already admirably addressed.

[Abilene]

I can still run pretty fast between shooting positions.  However if I try to sprint more than, say, 100 feet, my legs turn to rubber and I crash to the ground!  But the knees and hips make it hard to get up from sitting in a chair, much less from down on the ground.  No, thank you.

[Baltimore Ed]

Cowboy ipsc is what he is describing and it is a young man's game. No way am I running around or getting on the ground. Reading the title I thought it was going to be about half or quarter sized marshals which is what I have on my backyard range. Makes shooting the big ones very easy. Watching videos of recent EOT's with shooters doing sub 20 second stages just tells me that the targets are too generous and too close. If i do a sub 40 second stage I'm very happy. Close targets was why I stopped going to a local clubs WB shoots. One of the things that unnerved me in the video was the shooting through the cinder blocks. No way would I do that with any of my nice cas rifles. If I was shooting my ar and bumped a block a little sandpaper and black paint and good as new. I shoot a 2gun when I can and don't do the difficult calisthenics the MD draws up. I have shot my '03 with a 10 rd mag and another guy used an M1 Garand once. Not very useful against ARs or AKs but it was fun. I think a 30 carbine could be competitive. The RO will just add some time or adjust the stage for an old phart. I honestly cant see this cas/ipsc catching on. Btw, we shoot DAs this month and BAMM IN July. Fun stuff.

[ira scott]

The "Brutality" Matches go beyond IPSC, almost to the point of physical abuse! I have seen videos of a match where the competitor had to flip a tractor tire 50 or 60 yards before engaging a target, or crawl through a hay bale tunnel. I guess to raise your heartrate/blood pressure, and make an accurate shot more challenging.

I noticed at about 19:35 in the video, the shooter levers a round into the chamber, then takes a step or two and lays down on the ground.
Unacceptable?  In my mind yes.

B.N. Scotty

[Mogorilla]

We did a shoot a few weeks back and we had a stage where you were under a wagon shooting from a prone position.   None of us young, me being one of the younger ones, and it had rained.   I got up and my vest and pants were wet, lever action rifles shot from the prone position go well with Shwarma, i.e. PITA.   I would have totally done it with my trapdoor, and probably shot faster.   Like Sundance, I do like moving around during the shoot, but I get safety.    Anyhoo, the guy who wrote the stage roundly called the guy who wrote the stage a few unflattering names.   We tried not to agree too readily.   And we agreed no more laying on the ground to shoot.   
Oh to be 9 again, I remember leaping through the air with my toy lever action and pistol to land behind a log for cover and sniping at Sioux warriors (or army, I usually had feathers in my hair and fringe on my clothes.).    No oof when I landed and I leapt over the log when we had them on the run with nary a thought.   

[Snake Oil]

I think it looks fun!!  But then again that is what GAF looks like, especially the Grand Muster later this month!  I'm almost giddy already!!  Can't wait to be back at it!!

[ira scott]

Michael, that MIGHT be what the Grand Muster looks like, IF, more of the participants were your age and in your physical condition! Did you forget that  Quickfire threatened to shoot you in the knee so the R.O. could keep up?

See you in a few weeks!  B.N. Scotty

[pony express]

What I have seen in the Deadeye videos actually looks pretty tame compared to what they  do in some of the brutality matches-flipping the tractor tires, throwing the kettle bell, climbing walls and crawling through tunnels, carrying ammo crates or dragging heavy sleds. I also saw him moving with the chambered round.

[Sam Perfye]

First off- didn't watch the video. That being said, I've RO'd a few brutality and tactical matches, what those guys (and gals) can do is pretty amazing. But, I have had to pull more than one 30ish competitor for heat/stress issues. Does it look like fun? Yes. Does it seem like a challenge? Yes. Can the average GAF/Cowboy shooter finish a stage safely? I doubt it. If we could implement their shooting challenges without the crossfit element I think we could bring in some of this type of shooter.

[River City John]

Sounds like we need to start incorporating stages written to accommodate walkers.

[Professor Marvel]

Sounds like we need to start incorporating stages written to accommodate walkers.

And presbyopia.
And accomodate oxy bottles away from the firing line

[Coffinmaker]

WHAT?? 

Aw Cummon Perfesser!!  You gotta admit them there Oxy Bottles have the potential for some real entertainment at/on the firing line.

Kan't you just see one of the "Bottle Breathers" as they set off a .44 Percussion Revolver??  My goodness what a SHOW!!  WHEEEEEEEEEEEE  (Geshundheit)