1866 uberti stains on brass receiver

[Tayhitman44]

Bought this rifle used for a good price but it has these weird stains I'd like to remove and some scratches. Tried brasso and it did nothing unfortunately. Should I try another polish or maybe sandpaper? Can I let it patina as is?
Thanks in advance!


Pic: https://imgur.com/a/CeQFOkE

[mtmarfield]

      Greetings!

   I'm surprised that Brasso wouldn't remove that; Flitz might be worth a try. I would NOT use sand paper!!.

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                   5-09-24

[Reverend P. Babcock Chase]

Howdy Tay,

I can't give a reason for the discoloration on your '66; however, don't use anything more abrasive than Brasso. Try Flitz, I swear by it. I wonder if you should wipe the brass with a lacquer solvent and try brass again. I just let my '66's patina on their own with use.

By the way, I used Flitz on a pair of matte finish revolvers and ended up with a nice antiquey dark gray look. I don't like matte finish on my guns.

Rev. Chase

[Coffinmaker]

  Tayhitman 

The 1866 receiver is BRASS.  It will stain whether shooting Smokeless or Black Powder or Subs.  I am also surprised Brasso didn't do the job. 

There are those of us who champion Brass rifles who actually prefer to allow the brass rifles to stain (patina??) and like the look.  All of my Brass rifles are well patina'd and I prefer that look.  It is however your rifle and it's your choice.

DO NOT USE SANDPAPER unless you use 2000 or 3000 grit wet/dry.  Any larger grit will actually leave scratches you may not be able to remove.

[Tayhitman44]

Tayhitman 

The 1866 receiver is BRASS.  It will stain whether shooting Smokeless or Black Powder or Subs.  I am also surprised Brasso didn't do the job. 

There are those of us who champion Brass rifles who actually prefer to allow the brass rifles to stain (patina??) and like the look.  All of my Brass rifles are well patina'd and I prefer that look.  It is however your rifle and it's your choice.

DO NOT USE SANDPAPER unless you use 2000 or 3000 grit wet/dry.  Any larger grit will actually leave scratches you may not be able to remove.

I tried neverdull and it worked better then brasso but the stains still remain. I would love to acquire that patina look tbh. Is there a way to speed up the process? I don't shoot black powder unfortunately as I read that can speed the process up.

[Coffinmaker]

Actually, Black Powder and Subs will greatly speed the "Patina" process, but, unfortunately it isn't a quick process.  Takes time.  Just have to convince yourself to ignore the stains until the stains are everywhere. 

Oh, also, you may consider coming over to The Dark Side 

[Johnson Barr]

I been threatened by members of my Posse to Brasso my Henry.   By Gawd Woodrow thems fightin' words!

[Abilene]

I finally saw the 1st picture since Imgur pics aren't showing up on my laptop. For some years now Uberti ships 1866s with a plastic film over the brass.  Make sure that film isn't still on it.

[Mako]

Abilene,
I think I agree with you.  It looks like there may be a coating on the receiver. Sounds like a good cleaning with a lacquer thinner like the Reverend suggested might be called for.  Or you could try a citrus solution like De-solv-it .  Don't use ammonia.

Tayhitman44,
Actually you can speed up the process, I had someone wanting their receiver to look like it was aged and they asked have some of my BP fouling I pushed out of my bores and they made a solution with some water and painted it on a little at a time.

It will look more like Johnson Barr's than mine.  Mine have the pattern from burned/burning black powder scattered from racking an action fast and smoking shells coming out.






Note, the carbine in the second picture has different patina on the side plates than the receiver body.  I actually took readings with a handheld LIBS unit and the side plates are a different alloy than the body.  The original Henry and Winchester receivers were not Brass, they were Bronze, which was called "gun metal" at the time.  Bronze can be very strong and was actually stronger than some of the faux steel (more iron than steel) the early pistols and rifles were made from, especially if they were castings.   The Uberti carbine is two different high strength Brass alloys with very little Tin in them which would make them Bronze.  I think the rifle in the picture above it also has different materials on the side plates looking at the patina difference but I didn't measure that rifle.

What caliber and barrel length did you get?  As you can probably tell I have a things for '66s.

~Mako

[Coffinmaker]

My personal preference also runs to Brass Rifles.  Originals, Henry and 66 were as MAKO states, more Bronze than Brass.  Uberti rifles are Brass.  I feel the Brass rifles "feel" much different than '73s although I have two '73 Trappers.  The Brass rifles just seem to feel "right."  I also use to have several '66s, but found myself "Rifle Poor" and needed space in the safe for another Henry or two.

Henrys, '66 and '73s ALL have exactly the same internals.  Also Uberti standardized the Butt Stocks some years ago and all have basically the drop although the Henry stock is about a half inch longer.  A real shame Uberti dropped the cleaning rod space in the Butt Stock.  Icky Foo.

[Baltimore Ed]

I only have two '66 muskets and plan on letting them patina. I do however tumble and polish my brass as it makes them easier to find. Please don't use sandpaper on your rifle. Here is mine in 44-40 back in January.

[Abilene]

I only have two '66 muskets and plan on letting them patina. I do however tumble and polish my brass as it makes them easier to find. Please don't use sandpaper on your rifle.

And as a dedicated brass picker, I thank you!

I used to polish my '66 back when I shot Cleanshot (APP forerunner) as it would make stains and blotches on it I didn't like.  Later started shooting real BP and let it patina.  I have in the past used the technique of taking a patch with BP fouling on it, get it damp, and rub in on the brass.  Gives it a bit of color, not much.

[Pappy Hayes]

My 1866 has weird coloring. Any reasons why and can it be fixed

[Major 2]

Nope, it just different alloy of Brass

[Abilene]

My 1866 has weird coloring. Any reasons why and can it be fixed

What Major 2 said.  As far as "fixing it" you can just polish it until all is shiny again (flitz, nevr-dull, etc).  If you are wanting to let the rifle get a patina, well, that side plate will patina faster, as it already has.

BTW, this whole topic is in the wrong place, should be in the 1860 Henry (and '66) forum.

[Major 2]

I can move it you wish...

[Abilene]

I can move it you wish...
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Might as well, if it's easy. The OP seems to be MIA so he won't care. 


DONE

[Coffinmaker]

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Pappy Hayes:  Just to reiterate Major 2 and above.  The differing alloys have created the rather interesting colours.  Total polishing is the only "fix" but the frame and side plates will always tarnish/oxidize to different shades.

[Lucky R. K.]

I used to polish my '66 with 0000 steel wool. Finally let go natural and I like it much better.
Lucky 

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