Henry Kaboom!

Started by Fox Creek Kid, April 20, 2023, 08:45:10 AM

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Coffinmaker


:) Drydock  ;)

Entirely too true.  Fecal Matter is known to Propagate.  Murphy says things WILL go wrong and at the worst possible time.  Also completely true.

That little rubber baby buggy bumper in the end of the Henry follower actually does nada to affect momentum.  Physics is Physics.  The impact of the follower has the same Jules of energy regardless of the little rubber bumper.  Atz why, rather than relying on the little bumper, I used Stick, Mark 1, A1 on top of the cartridge stack.  Only allowed the follower to move half an inch.

Let us Play Safe Out There

Major 2

I'll point out one of my Henry's (2008 CC) had the orange rubber baby buggy bumper.
My earlier 99 [BM] date code did not.

The orange rubber was hard, more like plastic and it was somewhat disintegrated,
I don't know if cleaning solvents changed the properties of the material or if it was simply hard material to begin with.
In my opinion the (RBBB) Rubber Baby Bumper is a false safety accessory, maybe added to appease the corporate lawyers.
The best safety loading procedure with the Henry is the slight angle slide in load approach, and a hand covering the follower and eased down gently.

DO NOT drop load from a vertical hold, I see that done on many u-Tube videos  :o
I'll ad the problem is less apparent "if" you fully load the magazine.
loading less that a full magazine allows the follower a longer distance to strike the rounds and build kinetic energy. That is where the A1 stick spacer Coffinmaker mentions' would be handy.
when planets align...do the deal !

Drydock

Had to go look.  My 1996 Brass frame Military Henry does not have the rubber insert.  Good. 

2 rules of the Henry: Always load horizontal.  Always control the follower.
Civilize them with a Krag . . .

Coffinmaker


Rule number 3 - Get a picture of Coffinmakers  "Stick, Mark 1, A1, and copy it.

(grins and giggles)

cactus joe

My little orange bumper has kind of disintegrated. I was wondering if they have replacements and i haven't really looked into taking that part of my gun apart yet.

Major 2

I took mine out, its useless anyway.
when planets align...do the deal !

cactus joe

Well heck then i can do that. ;)

Drydock

Can't use the Stick, Henry-Mark 1{Mod 1}, I need full capacity for GAF usage. 
Civilize them with a Krag . . .

Major 2

Full capacity will be much better, the short travel of the follower can't build the energy.
  Its the long snap of a partial magazine load that is the problem.
when planets align...do the deal !

FriscoCountyWolfy

I'm going to copy coffinmakers stick... once my 1860 conversion is ready to go

Coffinmaker


:) Frisco  ;)

If need be, lemmie know and I'll send ya a Tintype of "Stick, Mark 1, A1" via your e mail.  I have never been able to successfully post here on CAS City.  I do have a trusted ally who has been gracious enough to post for me in the past though.

KWK

Quote from: Coffinmaker on April 21, 2023, 09:03:22 AMI've personally seen 3 different Magazine Detonations. Two were Henry rifles and one was an 1866.

I'd like to hear more about that '66, please.
Karl

Coffinmaker


:) KWK  ;)

Happy to oblige.  The '66 in question was a Uberti (naturally) Sporting Rifle in 38 special.  The Happy owner/shooter was utilizing IIRC, factory loaded, round nose Plus P 38s.  About half way thru the second stage, there was a nasty KABAM and ventilation suddenly appeared in the magazine tube just beyond the fore arm.

When we took it apart, we discovered Three rounds had detonated.  It is unknown if it was the result of a stuck follower suddenly releasing or from recoil.  There was no damage to the action parts or frame and I took the rifle in for repair.  I also had a somewhat spirited conversation with the owner about round nose bullets in tubular rifle magazines.

Abilene

Quote from: Coffinmaker on September 08, 2023, 09:15:17 AM
:) KWK  ;)

Happy to oblige.  The '66 in question was a Uberti (naturally) Sporting Rifle in 38 special.  The Happy owner/shooter was utilizing IIRC, factory loaded, round nose Plus P 38s.  About half way thru the second stage, there was a nasty KABAM and ventilation suddenly appeared in the magazine tube just beyond the fore arm.

When we took it apart, we discovered Three rounds had detonated.  It is unknown if it was the result of a stuck follower suddenly releasing or from recoil.  There was no damage to the action parts or frame and I took the rifle in for repair.  I also had a somewhat spirited conversation with the owner about round nose bullets in tubular rifle magazines.
I think I'd have also had a conversation with the owner about using +P ammo.  I didn't even know any manufacturers made +P .38's with lead bullets.
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KWK

Quote from: Abilene on September 08, 2023, 11:40:03 AM
I think I'd have also had a conversation with the owner about using +P ammo.

SAAMI +P 38s may not be a problem. Italy uses CIP pressure standards and will proof to that. For the 38, CIP pressures are above SAAMI +P.
Karl

Baltimore Ed

I had The Cowboy Shop rechamber my uberti 1873 45colt to 45acp earlier this year. Why couldn't a Henry be rechambered? Set the barrel back, rechamber, add the stop to the lifter? I had it done so I could use spp/srp in my 45acp brass. First match I used it in I removed the stock cover during lunch. Ran it better without it.
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Coffinmaker


 :) Hey There Ed ;)

"Why can't a Henry be Rechamber'd??" Is a perfectly fine question.  Primarily because it can be done.  It is a touch more complicated than your '73 but not much.  Same mods to the Face of the Breach Block.  The integral magazine tube is slightly more complicated, but that's it.

The other method would be to do the Breach Block, then a chamber sleeve to the "new" cartridge.  Were I to be doing it, I would also be tempted to cut the barrel assembly to Trapper length at the same time.  Of course, I am the Poster Child for shorter barrels  8) The cartridge stop in the Breach Block is also really really simple for a Henry.

DeaconKC

Just did some figuring using the OALs of the different rounds currently made in the Spencers. 10 rounds of .45ACP comes out to about .4 inches longer than 7 rounds of .44-40 or .45Colt. I did send an email to Taylor's suggesting they look at this. It would cost less to shoot and be a hoot to shoot.
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 :) Hey Deacon ;)

I'd actually have a different suggestion than a re-chamber as you are drooling over for a Spencer.  My direction would be to use Cowboy 45 Special cases.  Same same dimensions as 45 ACP, but rimmed.

Baltimore went the 45 ACP route as a way to utilize a supply of SPP ACP brass.  If one isn't blessed with a dearth of SPP ACP brass, C45S can be a simple and cost effective solution.

Abilene

Quote from: DeaconKC on August 22, 2024, 07:15:32 PMJust did some figuring using the OALs of the different rounds currently made in the Spencers. 10 rounds of .45ACP comes out to about .4 inches longer than 7 rounds of .44-40 or .45Colt. I did send an email to Taylor's suggesting they look at this. It would cost less to shoot and be a hoot to shoot.
Sounds good on paper, but so do a lot of other things.  Spencers don't work well with shorter ammo.  That is why they quit selling it in their original offerings of 44 Russian and 45 Schofield.  Those can be made to work but the 45ACP is even shorter. 
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