4 click/3 click

[LongWalker]

Trying to find and purchase a 4-click Cimarron on the auction sites.  Is there any way to tell from typical auction photos 1)Pietta or Uberti? and 2)4 click or 3 click? 

Thanks,
Jim

[Cliff Fendley]

If it's a prewar Uberti you are going to need to check the date code. I'm trying to remember when the change took place but it's been a few years now. If you buy the model P old model (black powder frame) they still have the old style action. Buds has them in stock, a friend of mine just bought one from them and they have plenty more he said.

[Coffinmaker]

Long Walker 

First up - Pietta are for the most part "4" click guns.  Pietta does market a model that has a Transfer Bar (alla Ruger).  The transfer bar guns aren't real common but auction site photos probably won't show that feature.

Next up - Uberti.  Good Luck.  If the gun is really new build, it WILL have that stupid Firing Pin safety thingie.  Photos WILL NOT show that.  You have to trust the sellers will admit to that safety (good luck with that).

Short answer to your original question - No, not really.

[Abilene]

Trying to find and purchase a 4-click Cimarron on the auction sites.  Is there any way to tell from typical auction photos 1)Pietta or Uberti? and 2)4 click or 3 click? 

Thanks,
Jim

First, let's talk Cimarron Ubertis: If the gun is an old model (BP frame) Cimarron, it will have the 4-click, regardless of age.  If it is a pre-war, new will all be 3-click but you will have to look closer at the used guns.  With the hammer down the 3-click will have the trigger a little further forward than 4-click, and the 1-position base pin will be fully inserted, not sticking out a little.   Keep in mine that not all ads will show the actual gun, some people use stock photos.

If it is a Cimarron Pietta, it will be 4-click whether BP frame or Pre-War.  (Same thing for EMF Great Western II's, which are the same gun other than markings).

If it is Cimarron, how to tell if it is a Pietta or Uberti?  If there is a medallion on the grip, Uberti.  No medallion could be Uberti or Pietta. If it is called a Frontier, it is Pietta.  Model P is Uberti.  If you can see a model number, starting with CA or MP will be Uberti, starting with PP will be Pietta.

[45 Dragoon]

Thanks Abilene ! The only "correction"  I'd make is a "Frontier" can be Uberti or Pietta. I have a Pietta Frontier.

Mike

[Abilene]

Thanks Abilene ! The only "correction"  I'd make is a "Frontier" can be Uberti or Pietta. I have a Pietta Frontier.

Mike

That is not correct.  I think we've covered this before.  Cimarron's Frontier line is all Pietta (at least, all the blue/cc models.  See next paragraph regarding stainless).  Finding anything on Cimarron's website is a PITA, but if you can find any "Frontier" model listed that does not have a PP prefix on the model number, I'd like to see it.

To add to the confusion, in Cimarron's latest catalog the page with stainless Model P's and Stainless Thunderer calls them "Stainless Frontiers".  These are obviously Ubertis based on the pictures.  But their latest inventory list that I've seen still has stainless Piettas listed as "Stainless Frontiers" and stainless Ubertis as "Stainless Model P's" - so, is it possible that Cimarron has started calling their stainless Uberti Model P's "Frontier" ?  Possible, but I strongly suspect a mistake in the catalog.  I will check with Valerie at CFA.

[Abilene]

Okay, I heard back from Valerie at Cimarron.  She admits it is confusing!  Cimarron owns the trademark "Stainless Frontier" and so they are now using that term for both Uberti and Pietta stainless guns.

But the non-stainless Frontiers are all Pietta.

[45 Dragoon]

Yessir, I'd post a picture of it if this site was pic friendly but for whatever reason, it isn't to me so .  .  .   I'm too busy to sit and learn something I don't really need to know!! Lol!!!

Mike

So, I just talked with her too and yes!!! she doesn't know WHEN she'll see another s.s. Pietta!! Lol
So you sir are correct!!! The blued Frontier is Pietta, the S.S. Frontier is Uberti!!  (mine is blued)

[Kent Shootwell]

  .   I'm too busy to sit and learn something I don't really need to know!! Lol!!!
That's what I told them all the way through high school! 

[LongWalker]

Thanks to everyone, especially Abilene.  I'm at the "already-returned-3-guns-that weren't-4-click, irritated-with-sellers-who-won't-respond-to-questions" stage of frustration (and let's not get into the lack of clarity on Cimarron's website).  Had one "helpful" seller suggest I keep his 3-click 44-40 (that he previously said was a 4-click 44 special), and just replace the hammer/trigger/cylinder. . . .

Off to Gunbroker.

[Abilene]

Thanks to everyone, especially Abilene.  I'm at the "already-returned-3-guns-that weren't-4-click, irritated-with-sellers-who-won't-respond-to-questions" stage of frustration (and let's not get into the lack of clarity on Cimarron's website).  Had one "helpful" seller suggest I keep his 3-click 44-40 (that he previously said was a 4-click 44 special), and just replace the hammer/trigger/cylinder. . . .

Off to Gunbroker.

Sheesh, that really is bad luck!  But just FYI, Taylors has the old style triggers and hammers in stock right now.  I think their price has gone up but it is still WAY less than VTI, like more than 50% less!  A year or two ago I bought two from them to have "just in case" I find a deal on a 3-clicker.

[Cliff Fendley]

Long Walker 


Next up - Uberti.  Good Luck.  If the gun is really new build, it WILL have that stupid Firing Pin safety thingie.  Photos WILL NOT show that.  You have to trust the sellers will admit to that safety (good luck with that).

Not if it's a Cimarron old model P. They are still the old Colt action with a plain hammer, no safety gizmos of any shape or form in the hammer. Only the two step main pin to pass the safety muster.

[LonesomePigeon]

I am pretty sure only the Cimmaron Old Model P will be a 4 click. If you get and Old Model type Uberti, aka black powder frame, from Dixie or Taylor's it will be a 3 click.

[Abilene]

I sort of forgot about Cimarron's Evil Roy.  Gene (E.R.) did NOT want to use a 3-click gun for the ER series.   For a while ER guns were being made with BP frames, but some sort of agreement was made and now his pre-war ER pistols are 4-click.  Here's one: https://evilroy.com/product/cimarron-evil-roy-single-action-revolver-4-75-357-magnum-38-special-consecutive-pair/

[LongWalker]

Thanks for the help guys!  Had a chance to do some side-by-side comparisons at the gun show last weekend.  Pretty sure I can recognize the trigger position differences Abilene was talking about.  A couple of my sample guns had the cylinder pin modified/replaced, but that will be something else to watch for.

Between Taylors and Cimarrons, there were close to 30 repro SAAs at the show, along with a couple of original Colts.  I took my 32-20 Cimarron as trade bait but didn't even take it out of the case.  Judging by the numbers I saw, I may give up on finding a 44 Special and just go with a 45 Colt. 

But that's on hold, as all my fun money is gone.  There's a monkey on my back who wollops me upside the head every time he sees a fixed-sight Nframe Smith.  This time he knocked me out, stole my money, and left me with a Model 58. 

Yep, that's my story and I'm sticking to it.  The search will resume when I've accumulated some more funds.

[DeaconKC]

Thanks for the help guys!  Had a chance to do some side-by-side comparisons at the gun show last weekend.  Pretty sure I can recognize the trigger position differences Abilene was talking about.  A couple of my sample guns had the cylinder pin modified/replaced, but that will be something else to watch for.

Between Taylors and Cimarrons, there were close to 30 repro SAAs at the show, along with a couple of original Colts.  I took my 32-20 Cimarron as trade bait but didn't even take it out of the case.  Judging by the numbers I saw, I may give up on finding a 44 Special and just go with a 45 Colt. 

But that's on hold, as all my fun money is gone.  There's a monkey on my back who wollops me upside the head every time he sees a fixed-sight Nframe Smith.  This time he knocked me out, stole my money, and left me with a Model 58. 

Yep, that's my story and I'm sticking to it.  The search will resume when I've accumulated some more funds.

Don't torment me like that! Pics of the S&W!!!!!

[Crossdrawnj]

This is a very informative thread.  I just picked up a USV model 45 LC.  It has a serial number with a "P" prefix. The barrel ID says its a Uberti. The one feature of this gun that impresses me is the stocks are more walnut shade than the typical reddish lacquered finish these guns are known for (I have three other Cimarron's with this feature). Haven't shot it yet but soon.

I am looking for a source to replace the cylinder base pin. I want to get rid of the long two step pin. Belt Mountain used to offer these for Italian guns but I cant get in touch with them. Any suggestions would be appreciated.

[Abilene]

... I am looking for a source to replace the cylinder base pin. I want to get rid of the long two step pin. Belt Mountain used to offer these for Italian guns but I cant get in touch with them. Any suggestions would be appreciated.

VTI, Cimarron, Taylors.  The current Uberti base pin for the 3-click guns is the proper one-position base pin.  Or cut off about 3/16" off the back of your two-position pin and smooth it up.

[Johnson Barr]

Hey Deacon, how 'bout a period large frame S&W Frontier. Pic enclosed.