Why no 1895 thread?

Crossdrawnj · August 12, 2022, 09:22:58 AM

If this is in the wrong spot, I apologize. But, there are three threads dedicated to the Winchester lever guns. The 1895 has been left out! I recently had a chance to inspect one of these and I'm hooked. My son acquired a 1895 SRC from a co-worker in 30-06. It has some minor issues, but it is pretty sweet. The saddle ring is missing but the bale is intact. Easy replacement. Now, I have to have one. The recent Oaks, Pa gun show was a disappointment. Very few old guns. So, how about a 1895 Winchester thread?!

Major 2 · August 12, 2022, 11:34:59 AM

Fine gun, I have a Browning in 30-06. More than likely as it is not a SASS caliber is why it is absent.

Then again its fine for the era pre-1898 and are used in musters of the Grand Army of the Frontier.

My Browning and my Grandfather with his circa 1901

Buckaroo Lou · August 12, 2022, 11:58:04 AM

Probably because this is a site dedicated to cowboy action shooting and the firearms associated with those organizations. I am certainly not familiar with all the rules and regulations to the different cowboy action shooting organizations, but I don't recall any of them using the Winchester 1895. It was a late comer that appeared in the late 19th century around the turn of the century, and all of them were chambered for smokeless cartridges. Most of the early production rifles were produced for military use. There is also no threads dedicated to the 1894 probably for the same reason.

Niederlander · August 12, 2022, 12:24:14 PM

We use '94's and '95's in our local cowboy shoots. The '95 figured prominently in at least one actual gunfight, and was heavily used by both the Arizona and Texas Rangers. I'm all for having a page on them!

Crossdrawnj · August 12, 2022, 12:48:54 PM

That makes sense. I did the cowboy action for many years until I lost interest. My first years there was a member in one club I found using an original Spencer carbine in 56-50! The 1895 could be used in a clubs side match as well as the 1894. I just have to find one now. The search is on.

Baltimore Ed · August 12, 2022, 02:49:41 PM

I have a Browning 1895 in 30-06 that hopefully will become an NRA musket whenever I get around to it. I don't see the problem with adding the '95. After all they were carried by Teddy's boys in his 'Splendid Little War'.

Coffinmaker · August 12, 2022, 05:22:44 PM

WELL I don't run this here place, but I suspect there is a much better place for the topic than the tail of the 1892 Board. But:

This is after all CAS City. Operative being "CAS" or "Cowboy Action Shooting." The '95 doesn't actually figure anywhere in the time frame upon which CAS is/was established. Its only use might be for some form of "side match" but I can't, for the life of me see what that might be. The only probable possibility I can see, would be in some form Wild Bunch Side Match. Something with a "Bonnie and Clyde" theme.

Kind of like trying to include the '03 Springfield or BAR. No home here me thinks.

Play Safe Out There

Niederlander · August 12, 2022, 05:30:45 PM

Our club has always gone with the theory that if it was really there, it's allowed. As long as the lead bullet load is under 1500 feet per second, it's good. Of course, we also have our rifle target at thirty to fifty yards, too, so we don't really fit the average CAS club paradigm.

Baltimore Ed · August 12, 2022, 06:05:19 PM

Sounds like a correct distance to me.

Niederlander · August 12, 2022, 08:45:37 PM

We had some people from another club come shoot with us once, and the first thing they said was "Wow, your targets are really small and far away!" We like it. You're supposed to have to actually aim!

Baltimore Ed · August 12, 2022, 08:56:32 PM

Would love to shoot with you sir.

Niederlander · August 12, 2022, 09:20:35 PM

Welcome anytime, sir! We're a very GAF friendly cowboy shooting club. We're trying to rebuild, since a lot of our old members have "aged out", as it were.

Major 2 · August 13, 2022, 01:15:37 AM

I too would enjoy it... sadly distance to Mid -America is the great nullifier

even Baltimore Ed's Carolina Outer Banks BAMM range is a hurtle.

Tuolumne Lawman · October 08, 2022, 10:05:29 PM

Had a beautiful one (original 1895) come through this last year in 30-40 Krag... I was tempted. A couple years ago, we had one in .405 Winchester like Teddy hunted with.

Niederlander · October 10, 2022, 05:04:11 PM

Maybe we should have a combo page for the '94 and the '95 since they were both pretty much at the end of our era. Thoughts?

King Medallion · October 10, 2022, 09:57:59 PM

I'd love to see a section for the 1894!

DJ · October 11, 2022, 08:11:23 AM

If there was an 1895 thread, I'd have a place to post a photo of this nice musket I picked up a couple months ago.

Baltimore Ed · October 12, 2022, 12:27:37 PM

That's a very nice '95 musket. What caliber?

Doc Holloman · December 12, 2022, 02:00:35 PM

Been away for a while, so sorry for resurrecting an old thread. Both the 94 and 95 are legal for a Teddy Roosevelt category/ match under Wild Bunch rules (although the Magazine capacity of the 95 puts it at a disadvantage). For clubs that have Cody Dixon lever action as a category, both are legal if they meet the sight rules.

cpt dan blodgett · February 01, 2023, 07:01:30 PM

Quote from: Niederlander on August 12, 2022, 12:24:14 PM
We use '94's and '95's in our local cowboy shoots. The '95 figured prominently in at least one actual gunfight, and was heavily used by both the Arizona and Texas Rangers. I'm all for having a page on them!

There is a famous picture of AZ rangers posing after ending the Morenci Stike violence as I recall 19 winchesters (95) and a krag