A terrific looking USFA.

[Buckaroo Lou]

USFA ended because Beretta, new owner of Uberti (Uberti became owned by   Benelli, part of the Beretta holding company )
ended the relationship which allowed USFA to use the Uberti proprietary CNC software/design code.

yhs
prof marvel

prof marvel,

Please understand I am not questioning the truth or accuracy of the Beretta account you have presented. I just think it interesting that of all the discussions we have had on the forum about why USFA ceased production of their single action revolvers, like Abilene has stated, this is the first time I have ever heard this.

Just because Beretta pulled the plug on their involvement with the Remington project does that mean they had the authority to pull the plug on all the proprietary CNC software/design codes USFA may have been using for the production of their other revolvers.

Again please understand I am not denying the accuracy or truth to your account. Just astonished that this is the first time I have heard it. Would this not better explain the demise of USFA and take all the heat off of Doug Donnally that some of us have heaped on him.

[Capt. John Fitzgerald]

Back then it was my understanding that USFA would produce the 1875 and that, thanks to the aforementioned collaboration with Remington, they would bear the Remington roll markings just like the originals.  For a very brief period Remington actually listed the USFA 1875 on their website as a "coming soon" attraction.
Another factor at the time was the fact that Remington was in dire financial straights and I, for one, attributed that to the demise of the USFA/Remington project.  Too bad!  Like them or not, it would be cool to own a USFA 1875 that bore the original Remington barrel markings.   

[Abilene]

I wish GaryG would chime in on this thread.

[Major 2]

I wish GaryG would chime in on this thread.

https://www.cascity.com/forumhall/index.php?topic=28630.0


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Re: USFA Remington
« Reply #8 on: October 20, 2009, 01:14:09 AM »
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I called Gary Granger to confirm this. I told him about this particular thread which I am responding to so I could confirm it.
After talking to Gary Granger, I've come to the conclusion that Doug Donnally does not keep his employees well informed. 
Translation, Gary found out about this "cancellation" FROM ME and nobody at USFA told him about it.


Somewhere in my photo's I have my photo on the 2007 Shot Show and Doug with the finished Remington
  imagine what that would bring NOW if went up for sale.

Beretta squoze Donnally out
Remington pulled out

turn out the lights the party was over 

[Buckaroo Lou]

So Major 2, to be clear, are you saying the demise of the Remington project is what determined the end of all USFA single action production, or just the Remington project?

[Major 2]

The demise of USFA was collage of countless crack-pot ideas, and poor leadership.
The Production of the SAA was NOT one of them, Quality yes, but cost-effective no.
Gary Granger had stated that " they should have never tried to make all the parts in house
turning a profit that way, wasn't profitable"

Too many ill-fated projects, USFA (Donnally) over promised and under deliver on too many "new" projects.  > the Woodsman for example,
That short lived USFA's version of the Taurus "Judge" like project, and the USFA Lightening failure's,
the expensive USFA/Turnbull 1911 in a market rife with 1911's .... the Remington. 

The big splash Shot Show 2007 (Orlando) intro "new project Remington"
Beretta (prototype Uberti forgings and CNC) hung him out to dry, Shaky Remington pulled out, that doomed the Remington's.

The "ZIP" was the final straw on the camel's back.

[Niederlander]

I never understood why they'd try to resurrect the Woodsman when there were plenty of nice originals available for less money.  That "Judge" like thing just seemed bizarre.

[Major 2]

USFA coping Taurus' "Judge" was somewhat akin to BMW building a Yugo 

[RRio]

As a retired CNC manual programmer, I can easily say with all honesty that doing a program to replace "the Uberti proprietary CNC software/design" would be no big deal. I can't think of a single programmer at our plant (Honeywell Aerospace) that could not write such a program. Had I the experience with the software, even I could have done it. It's just defining features from a certain starting point. Nothing mysterious about it at all.

[Professor Marvel]

prof marvel,

Please understand I am not questioning the truth or accuracy of the Beretta account you have presented. I just think it interesting that of all the discussions we have had on the forum about why USFA ceased production of their single action revolvers, like Abilene has stated, this is the first time I have ever heard this.

Just because Beretta pulled the plug on their involvement with the Remington project does that mean they had the authority to pull the plug on all the proprietary CNC software/design codes USFA may have been using for the production of their other revolvers.

Again please understand I am not denying the accuracy or truth to your account. Just astonished that this is the first time I have heard it. Would this not better explain the demise of USFA and take all the heat off of Doug Donnally that some of us have heaped on him.

Terribley sorry,Lou -  I should not be posting with a fever 
fortunately the strange crap I apparently bid on over on GB was bught by someone else!
prf 

[Professor Marvel]

The demise of USFA was collage of countless crack-pot ideas, and poor leadership.
The Production of the SAA was NOT one of them, Quality yes, but cost-effective no.
Gary Granger had stated that " they should have never tried to make all the parts in house
turning a profit that way, wasn't profitable"

Too many ill-fated projects, USFA (Donnally) over promised and under deliver on too many "new" projects.  > the Woodsman for example,
That short lived USFA's version of the Taurus "Judge" like project, and the USFA Lightening failure's,
the expensive USFA/Turnbull 1911 in a market rife with 1911's .... the Remington. 

The big splash Shot Show 2007 (Orlando) intro "new project Remington"
Beretta (prototype Uberti forgings and CNC) hung him out to dry, Shaky Remington pulled out, that doomed the Remington's.

The "ZIP" was the final straw on the camel's back.

thank you Major! I stand corrected!
Terribly sorry,   I should not be posting with a fever 
fortunately the strange crap I apparently bid on over on GB was bught by someone else.
prf 

[Professor Marvel]

As a retired CNC manual programmer, I can easily say with all honesty that doing a program to replace "the Uberti proprietary CNC software/design" would be no big deal. I can't think of a single programmer at our plant (Honeywell Aerospace) that could not write such a program. Had I the experience with the software, even I could have done it. It's just defining features from a certain starting point. Nothing mysterious about it at all.

Terribley sorry, Rio -  I should not be posting with a fever 
fortunately the strange crap I apparently bid on over on GB was bught by someone else!
prf 

[Major 2]

thank you Major! I stand corrected!
Terribly sorry,   I should not be posting with a fever 
fortunately the strange crap I apparently bid on over on GB was bught by someone else.
prf

no reason to apologize 

[Abilene]

Hey Prof, get well soon! 

[Major 2]

Found the photo, Donnally @ 07 Shot Show with his ill-fated Remington.
He showed me the two Uberti sourced forgings, one rough the other machined,
and this finished gun...

Remington (Brand license) backed out,
Uberti went one to produce their own Forged Framed Remy, cutting Donnally off.

[Graveyard Jack]

There was also the Hartford guns that never got made.

[Galloway]

Who made all those nickel guns on the hartford wheel display? Were they ubertis?