Possible acquisition

Tuolumne Lawman · July 04, 2022, 02:19:23 PM

I actually am very glad they have the slightly beefier purpose built cylinders. Less chance of a notch "blow out" happening.

Tuolumne Lawman · August 09, 2022, 12:33:25 AM

Well, I really don't like the way the 1860 grips were cut down to make them thinner. I located one ASM 1860 walnut grip on ebay. Haven't found another, but did come across a complete ASM 1851 grip, so I have it on the other one for now (until I find another ASM or even a Uberti 1860 grip (which is close enough).

Hope to finally use them at the local match in a couple weeks. SWEET!

Tuolumne Lawman · August 09, 2022, 10:23:01 AM

Anyone have an un-loved Uberti 1860 grip (wood only) that they would like to part with? I checked, and the Uberti can be fitted to the ASM. I thought of new, but last time I checked, VTI was out. I just sent them another check stock email.

Graveyard Jack · August 09, 2022, 02:46:58 PM

I do, probably more than one, if I can find the one from my engraved Open Top. They're yours if you want them.

Tuolumne Lawman · August 09, 2022, 09:01:20 PM

Thanks! That would be awesome. Let me know and I'll send you some $$$ and mention you as the source of one of the grips when I do the Cowboy Chronicle article about these.

The article will lead off with me being teased by a shooting pard 4 or 5 years ago, wanting me to buy Truth and Justice. It will chronicle the acquisition, including the skinny grips, and transformation into my main match pair. Then I will go into a history of Anderson, his guns, and his efforts to make the first "production, semi custom" 1860 conversions, (meant to be cheaper than Howell or Millington), all before ASM introduced production 1860 .44 Colts in 1990.

Graveyard Jack · August 10, 2022, 01:46:08 AM

Question, do any of these guys mark their work? I just got a Uberti 1851 conversion with a relined barrel but have no clue who put it together. I'm going to put a Kirst ejector on it and it will probably need a taller front sight.

Quote from: Tuolumne Lawman on August 09, 2022, 09:01:20 PM
Thanks! That would be awesome. Let me know and I'll send you some $$$ and mention you as the source of one of the grips when I do the Cowboy Chronicle article about these.

The article will lead off with me being teased by a shooting pard 4 or 5 years ago, wanting me to buy Truth and Justice. It will chronicle the acquisition, including the skinny grips, and transformation into my main match pair. Then I will go into a history of Anderson, his guns, and his efforts to make the first "production, semi custom" 1860 conversions, (meant to be cheaper than Howell or Millington), all before ASM introduced production 1860 .44 Colts in 1990.

Don't worry about paying me, just let me know when the article prints so I can look for it. PM your address to me and I'll send it this week.

Major 2 · August 10, 2022, 07:01:19 AM

The short answer is yes-sometimes

My Kenny Howell 2nd Gen. 1st Richards is marked under the barrel - R&D Beloit, WI USA by hand.
I acquired the gun about 2006 and the precious owner had it built on his donor in 1998 or 99.

The Dave Anderson ASM sourced USPFA 1993 Shot Show gun- 2nd Model Richards, was only marked
USPFA Hartford, Connecticut. roll marked on the top of the barrel no other marks

The Millington Remy was B. Millington/ArmSport LLC , also had the Pietta FAP Diamond on the grip frame otherwise shaved of FLLI Pietta- Made in Italy- Black Powder Only.

My Gary Barnes Navy conversion has no marks on my donor Pietta 61 Navy- Kirst (totally shaved by request)

I never had a John Gren but handled one once, it was marked as shown in the photo below
I had to look for it though as I had not recalled the markings.

Tuolumne Lawman · August 22, 2022, 07:54:32 PM

The Gang. Taken before I replaced the second shaved grip.

Tuolumne Lawman · August 23, 2022, 09:56:55 AM

Here are Truth and Justice after I replaced the shaved grips. One is an 1860 ASM grip from eBay, and the other a modified Uberti 1860 grip from Craig C,

Marshal Will Wingam · August 23, 2022, 10:17:06 AM

Those grips are a vast improvement over the shaved ones. Good job fitting them.

Major 2 · August 23, 2022, 01:08:24 PM

I agree with Will....

DeaconKC · August 23, 2022, 11:04:12 PM

A fine pair!

Rube Burrows · August 24, 2022, 07:50:45 AM

Much improved on the grips.

Coffinmaker · August 24, 2022, 10:23:52 AM

SUPER improvement TL

Tuolumne Lawman · August 30, 2022, 05:29:43 PM

While the Anderson's will be my primary main match pistols, replacing the Uberti Type IIs, my pair of Kirst/Pietta .45 Schofield 1860s (8" Saber River and 5.5" Sheriff model) will still be my back-up pair. The Saber River is so dang beautiful, it just has to be shot sometimes! I am going to an annual match in October, and I would guess half the stages will be shot with the .44 Andersons, and half with the .45 Kirsts.

I have one of Walt's .45 ACP cylinders for the Piettas and it is a hoot. I use the same 230 grain RN lead bullet for my ,45 ACP WW231 Wild Bunch 1911 loads, and my Trail Boss .45 Schofield loads for my conversions. Both cylinders print about the same! I am doing a Cowboy Chronicle article on the Kirst 1860 .45 ACP cylinder as a two for one gun in the 5.5" sheriff model, using also the .45 Colt cylinder.

Tuolumne Lawman · September 05, 2022, 12:01:21 AM

Quote from: CraigC on August 10, 2022, 01:46:08 AM
Question, do any of these guys mark their work? I just got a Uberti 1851 conversion with a relined barrel but have no clue who put it together. I'm going to put a Kirst ejector on it and it will probably need a taller front sight.

Don't worry about paying me, just let me know when the article prints so I can look for it. PM your address to me and I'll send it this week.

Sorry for delayed response. Early Anderson's were unmarked, Later ones marked American Frontier Firearms. Gren marks his with his name, Jay Strite had a raven stamp on the barrel, IIRC, and Howell marked his. I do not know about Millington.

Rube Burrows · September 05, 2022, 08:55:09 AM

Quote from: Tuolumne Lawman on September 05, 2022, 12:01:21 AM
Sorry for delayed response. Early Anderson's were unmarked, Later ones marked American Frontier Firearms. Gren marks his with his name, Jay Strite had a raven stamp on the barrel, IIRC, and Howell marked his. I do not know about Millington.

Good information in these threads. Thanks.

Graveyard Jack · September 06, 2022, 10:56:47 AM

Quote from: Tuolumne Lawman on September 05, 2022, 12:01:21 AM
Sorry for delayed response. Early Anderson's were unmarked, Later ones marked American Frontier Firearms. Gren marks his with his name, Jay Strite had a raven stamp on the barrel, IIRC, and Howell marked his. I do not know about Millington.

We're thinking Howell did that one. The conversion ring and gate are color cased and screwed to the frame. Gonna put a Kirst ejector on it.

Tuolumne Lawman · September 29, 2022, 09:39:37 PM

Well, after family reunions, vacations, a death in the family (at my house!), and finally getting COVID after escaping it for over two years, I will get a chance to shoot Truth and Justice at End of Track annual match in two weeks. Also going to shoot my Kirst Saber River and its 5.5 inch 1860 little brother. Four days of shooting, s a good time will be had by all. Pics will be forthcoming.

Abilene · September 29, 2022, 10:03:49 PM

Patience is a virtue!