.45 ACP in moonclips in a spare cylinder for a Schofield.

Virginia Gentleman · December 20, 2005, 12:52:20 AM

Who likes this idea if we could get Uberti/Beretta to do it? You could also get .45 Auto-Rim to work with a spare cylinder like this. Those short empties would just fly out of a Schofield.

gw · December 20, 2005, 10:49:23 AM

I'd guess with full moon clips it would act as a speedloader of sorts, would make for some fast reloads, wouldn't be authentic and maybe not legal even in SASS?

??

GW

Scattered Thumbs · December 21, 2005, 07:25:09 AM

The bolt cuts in the Schofield are in the rearmost portion of the cylinder, I don't know if that's really doable. $:-\$

Virginia Gentleman · December 21, 2005, 12:22:18 PM

I wondered about that myself, but it looks like there might be enough room.

Lightning Buck McGraw · December 29, 2010, 12:43:57 AM

I wouldn't wanna chance it. not only is yer gun at risk, (expieramentin with different callibers, & all) Yer HAND'S at risk too.

Call me overly cautious but...,
If it aint broke, don't fix it.

Reverend P. Babcock Chase · December 29, 2010, 07:26:13 AM

Howdy Schofieldians,

I don't know about full- or half- moon clips, but I have a .45 Colt speed loader that works perfectly on both my Schofield and my Rem. 58 conversion cylinder. Can't use it to reload on the clock, but it does speed up things at the reload table.

Reverend Chase

WaddWatsonEllis · December 29, 2010, 09:10:10 AM

I have a Webley Mk VI that was 'sporterized' for .45 ACP.

Here are a couple of problems I have found on the Webley.

1.) The cylinder seems to have been shortented about approximately 1/8" to allow the moon clips to to fit, allowing enough room for the cylinder to float slightly forward and backwards on the cylinder 'axle' .....

2.) .45 ACP brass cannot be resold for reloading to .45ACP because the shells 'bulge' out to .455, expanding to fit the walls of the Webley. IF they can be resized at all (which I doubt), the shop that used to rebuy my shells would not touch them .... And I believe the .45 Auto Rim expands much the same way.

It would jam after about two loads had been shot through it.

And if I ever become rich as Croesus, the pistol is going to David Chicoine to see if he can do something with it

BTW, Schoefield ammo is too long to fit in it ... I tried already ... that would have been the 'perfect solution' ...

Since this is a Schofield Forum, I will now return it back to its rightful owners ... Just wanted to share my experience with .45 ACP ...

And as you can see, I am a bit partial to Top Breaks:

JimBob · December 29, 2010, 09:46:31 AM

There have been some problems with converting Webley's to .45ACP.

http://britishmilitariaforums.yuku.com/topic/9296/t/CAUTION-455-REVOLVERS-ALTERED-SHOOT-45-ACP--45-AUTO-RIM.html

WaddWatsonEllis · December 29, 2010, 11:24:23 AM

Jim Bob,

Thanks for the info on Webleys ... I have seen bits and pieces of this info before, but never gathered in one spot ... and I believe Rattlesnake Jack is on this forum as well, so I will contact him.

In the meantime, I no longer shoot the Webley ... bit I miss shooting it. I have been tempted to have the man who reloads for me take some .455 Webley or .45 Auto Rim and load it up with Goex to black powder Cowboy/Webley Specs ...

JimBob · December 29, 2010, 12:11:04 PM

Quote from: WaddWatsonEllis on December 29, 2010, 11:24:23 AM
Jim Bob,

Thanks for the info on Webleys ... I have seen bits and pieces of this info before, but never gathered in one spot ... and I believe Rattlesnake Jack is on this forum as well, so I will contact him.

In the meantime, I no longer shoot the Webley ... bit I miss shooting it. I have been tempted to have the man who reloads for me take some .455 Webley or .45 Auto Rim and load it up with Goex to black powder Cowboy/Webley Specs ...

Someplace on that forum he also posted a link of someone restoring Webley cylinders back to .455. Can't find it right now,I don't go there often.

Joe Lansing · December 30, 2010, 08:06:44 PM

I have a Colt SAA with a spare cyl. in 45ACP. I use a 1911 magazine asa speed loader. Unloading is the same as always, but loading is real fast.

J.L.

John Smith · December 30, 2010, 08:47:24 PM

Quote from: JimBob on December 29, 2010, 12:11:04 PM
Someplace on that forum he also posted a link of someone restoring Webley cylinders back to .455. Can't find it right now,I don't go there often.

Try here: http://forums.gunboards.com/showthread.php?180126-Webley-cylinder-repair

JimBob · December 31, 2010, 08:19:22 AM

Quote from: John Smith on December 30, 2010, 08:47:24 PM
Try here: http://forums.gunboards.com/showthread.php?180126-Webley-cylinder-repair

Interesting.Sounds like the best solution to the cylinder problem is use .45AR brass and load to .455 specs.

Mossyrock · December 31, 2010, 09:55:03 AM

Quote from: JimBob on December 31, 2010, 08:19:22 AM
Interesting.Sounds like the best solution to the cylinder problem is use .45AR brass and load to .455 specs.

Which is exactly what I do, to include using the original hollow-based bullet. Works great!

Flint · December 31, 2010, 11:23:51 AM

A speed loader and 45 Special ammo would be the same length as 45 ACP and work without a new cylinder.

JimBob · December 31, 2010, 01:03:27 PM

Quote from: Mossyrock on December 31, 2010, 09:55:03 AM
Which is exactly what I do, to include using the original hollow-based bullet. Works great!

Is anyone making this mold?I have a Colt New Service in .455 and a small supply of brass I could load if the original style bullets were available.

Mossyrock · December 31, 2010, 03:25:37 PM

Quote from: JimBob on December 31, 2010, 01:03:27 PM
Is anyone making this mold?I have a Colt New Service in .455 and a small supply of brass I could load if the original style bullets were available.

I don't know. I got mine, an Ideal mould, by haunting Ebay. Buffalo Arms has the bullets in stock. Maybe they have the mould as well.

Hangtown Frye · February 12, 2011, 06:43:20 PM

Some years ago, when I first started doing Cowboy Action Shooting, one of my friends came up with a Schofield (original of course, nobody was making them as repro's yet) that somewhere down the line someone had buzzed down for half-moon clips. Some yokel gunsmith must have thought that it was just an odd-looking Webley or something, but there it was. He used auto-rim brass and loaded black powder for it, but over all it was a bit too worn to be very reliable. (Probably due to some yahoo former owner shooting GI Hardball .45 ACP's through it!

) But it was a cool idea, I had to admit. Sadly, he traded it off before I knew he was interested in doing so, as I was pretty interested in it at the time. Oh well.

Cheers,

Gordon

Sir Charles deMouton-Black · February 12, 2011, 07:15:08 PM

Quote from: JimBob on December 31, 2010, 01:03:27 PM
Is anyone making this mold?I have a Colt New Service in .455 and a small supply of brass I could load if the original style bullets were available.

I think NEI has this design. .455-290-HB #330

http://www.neihandtools.com/catalog.html

Virginia Gentleman · February 12, 2011, 11:46:26 PM

For the butchered Webleys using the .45 Auto-Rim case, 250 grain bullets 454-455" sized and heavier with reduced powder charges is the only way to safely shoot these guns. Never use standard .45 ACP loads in them as it is at the proof level and will wear down or even destroy the gun eventually.