Reloading with triple 7

Wooly Dan · February 12, 2021, 08:06:23 AM

I have shot a lot of cap and ball pistol and percussion rifles but never reloaded cartridges with Triple 7. I have a couple of friends helping me to day. Amazing what friends will do for a bowl of hot stew and cornbread after days of freezing weather. I might as well be living in Sargent. Can't wait for June and make some smoke. Everyone says It easy, but after you have done it thousands of times it is. Wish me luck.

Abilene · February 12, 2021, 08:18:43 AM

Okay, good luck! Hopefully your friends told you to use 2F and not 3F in cartridges (that's what Hodgon says). Also be sure to rinse the brass pretty quickly after shooting.

ira scott · February 12, 2021, 11:33:49 AM

Hey Wooly Dan, I would sure come for stew and cornbread if we weren't so far apart! I have used 777 in cartridges to a limited extent, mostly in muzzleloaders of the modern inline variety, where it was my favorite propellant until Blackhorn 209 arrived. I knew that Hodgdon warned against heavy compression, but didn't realize they only provide data for 2F. Here is a link from Hodgdon's Reloading website:

https://hodgdon.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/muzzleloading_manual_2008.pdf

Be careful drinking whiskey and reloading Dan (wink wink!)

B.N.Scotty

Dusty Tagalon · February 12, 2021, 07:16:22 PM

My own experience, triple 7 too hot, my preference APP.
Brian

ira scott · February 12, 2021, 10:15:46 PM

Triple 7 does seem to have more energy than APP, probably why Hodgdon specifies 2F. I really don't like 2F APP for cartridge reloading, the granulation seems to be too large and irregular for consistent results. I have had good results with 3F APP in pistol cases. Upon Whiskey Doubles recommendation I tried Blackhorn 209 in my 45 60 Craparrel, (which HATES B.P.) with excellent results, but that stuff is EXPENSIVE!

B.N.Scotty

Abilene · February 12, 2021, 10:19:42 PM

Though I rarely shoot subs, I also prefer APP when I do (I'm just finishing off a bottle I opened in 2013

). I once loaded some .38's with 777 and .357's with 3F Goex and shot them together in my '73. No noticeable difference in recoil. If I could get no other powder, I would use a filler with 777 for handgun cartridges. Hodgdon doesn't condone that, but many folks have done so.

edit: when asked, posse members said the Goex loads were more impressive.

Wooly Dan · February 14, 2021, 03:43:06 PM

Not using Triple 7 going with app To bad had cans of Triple 7. Have to buy the app

Coffinmaker · February 15, 2021, 09:30:46 AM

Memory Faded

Some Lustrum ago, Hodgdon had a disclaimer, 777 was not recommended for cartridge loading. I don't remember if that was just for 3f but I suspect it may have been just applied to 3f (don't quote me though). 777 does produce higher pressure than either BP or APP and I don't care for it at all (my opine)

Pyrodex is a rusting agent that just happens to burn. Not recommended for anything.

I shoot APP for everything. Ira bee quite correct. 2f APP is entirely to inconsistent for reliable cartridge loading. I do use copious amounts of 2f APP for All Brass shotgun loading. Residue is easy clean-up. For that application, 2f APP is a great choice. For cartridge applications, I prefer and recommend 3f APP. Easy Clean-up and 3f meters well thru a DILLON powder measure with only occasional bridging. Very consistent loads and APP residue is VERY easy to clean. Have I mentioned VERY easy clean-up?? Meant too.

Stay Safe Out There

Pitspitr · February 16, 2021, 07:09:39 AM

Quote from: Coffinmaker on February 15, 2021, 09:30:46 AM
Pyrodex is a rusting agent that just happens to (Sometimes)burn. Not recommended for anything.

Bat 2919 · February 16, 2021, 09:21:50 AM

Quote from: Pitspitr on February 16, 2021, 07:09:39 AM

I've had my best accuracy results loading Pyrodex RS in 45-70's and never had a problem with it rusting my guns but I've always used it in drier climate's. If anything APP has been a bigger problem for me, it created surface rust on my handguns even after they've been cleaned immediately after use. I've come back to them several days after shooting with APP and cleaning and found rust attempting to form on them.

ndnchf · February 16, 2021, 11:02:05 AM

Quote from: Bat 2919 on February 16, 2021, 09:21:50 AM
I've had my best accuracy results loading Pyrodex RS in 45-70's and never had a problem with it rusting my guns but I've always used it in drier climate's. If anything APP has been a bigger problem for me, it created surface rust on my handguns even after they've been cleaned immediately after use. I've come back to them several days after shooting with APP and cleaning and found rust attempting to form on them.

I had the same problem with APP. A few days after cleaning, I had rust forming on 3 guns back back last fall. Maybe it was the humidity, not sure. I've used it before without a problem.

Wooly Dan · February 16, 2021, 11:28:04 AM

Nothing easy. I have found where to get BP so just may reloads like they did or my trail boss has worked great so just may stay with it, accurate and not worry about rush ? ?

ira scott · February 16, 2021, 12:31:42 PM

Are you reloading for your Beautiful Trapdoor Dan? I don't think there is a firearm that is easier to clean after shooting Blackpowder. If you use a bullet with Blackpowder lube (VERY IMPORTANT) the fouling comes out of the barrel very easily, and the breech face is very accessible to clean what little fouling is there. Sidelock, so no fouling in the action! A little added work dealing with the cartridge cases, but worth the effort. If you insist on a Blackpowder substitute Blackhorn 209 may be worth trying, it worked really well for me in a 45 60 Craperell that hates Real Black. It is really expensive though, at about $45-$50 for 10 ounces!

B.N.Scotty

Pitspitr · February 17, 2021, 06:31:09 AM

Quote from: Wooly Dan on February 16, 2021, 11:28:04 AM
Nothing easy. I have found where to get BP so just may reloads like they did or my trail boss has worked great so just may stay with it, accurate and not worry about rush ? ?

WHERE DID YOU FIND BP?

Wooly Dan · February 17, 2021, 09:43:59 AM

A friend offed to share what he has. A very nice friend! He did that so he has at least one person he knows he can beat when we get to your place.

Pitspitr · February 17, 2021, 10:17:07 AM

Quote from: Wooly Dan on February 17, 2021, 09:43:59 AM
A friend offed to share what he has. A very nice friend! He did that so he has at least one person he knows he can beat when we get to your place.

I did find a place willing to let me place a backorder for what I need and they are saying that they should get it in a couple of weeks.

1961MJS · February 17, 2021, 04:04:56 PM

Wow, I'm amazed that the US is having a shortage of black powder. Civil war reenactors are declining in numbers, and with the 19, no hanging out in the battlefields popping caps anyway.

What's up?

Later

Pitspitr · February 18, 2021, 06:13:29 AM

Quote from: 1961MJS on February 17, 2021, 04:04:56 PM
Wow, I'm amazed that the US is having a shortage of black powder. Civil war reenactors are declining in numbers, and with the 19, no hanging out in the battlefields popping caps anyway.

What's up?

Later

Yeah, I asked the guy from Powder Inc. that very question. He said he didn't know. He said that the last time he remembered there being a shortage of BP was when Goex had an explosion.

Panic?

Wooly Dan · February 18, 2021, 07:33:17 AM

Del Warren tells me that they are having a hard time keeping inventory in the shop because people are buying cap and ball revolvers to shoot. I have been shooting co2 guns to save on stuff and can shoot in basement. Crazy world. I am feeling the pain of my Texas friends. My son lives so close to gulf in Texas it's amazing he doesn't get wet. He is doing well. Works for a company that has lots of equipment they moved one of their generators to a company house and are getting along. Not so good for lots of others. Prayers your way Texas friends.

Bat 2919 · February 19, 2021, 08:29:59 PM

Got this sales e mail today from Buffalo Arms:

We have Black Powder back in stock!!!
208 263-6953
Please be patient with our web site,
it should be functioning properly soon.
208 263-6953

I went to the website and it appears to be working now, shows several BP brands as "in stock'

https://www.buffaloarms.com/black-powder.html