.50-95 die set

nohorse · February 09, 2021, 12:15:51 PM

Will the RCBS Legacy die set in .50-95 work on a new Uberti Presidio carbine in .50-95? Or is there a better choice for dies? Price is not a consideration. Thanks!

King Medallion · February 09, 2021, 02:05:22 PM

That's what I got for my Presidio, but I have yet to fire mine so the jury is still out. Still waiting for the January thaw! I got my set at Graf's.

King Medallion · February 09, 2021, 02:07:44 PM

On the Presidio note, have we seen this supposed carbine yet??

nohorse · February 09, 2021, 07:08:53 PM

My finger is hovering over the buy it now button. I am ready to go - rifle, dies, some small selection of bullets, I have powder and primers.... all except no brass. I cant find any .50-95 brass. So I need to be sure I can get some brass before I spend $1850 on the rifle.

King Medallion · February 09, 2021, 10:15:39 PM

Goodness, you best shop around, they are cheaper than that available. As for brass, you'll probably have to make it out of 50 Alaskan, or there are a couple custom makers that make them. Not cheap tho. I got lucky and found some on gunbroker, also not cheap.

nohorse · February 10, 2021, 09:48:01 AM

Thanks for the links King. I will be doing my homework on this today

King Medallion · February 10, 2021, 09:54:09 AM

Your most welcome.

hpbear101 · February 10, 2021, 10:57:44 AM

I have a Stoeger/Uberti rifle and the RCBS dies work fine. 50 Alaskan brass is probably the easiest route (and cheapest), it is slightly undersize at the case head so your brass will have a slight bulge at the base after firing but it works fine. All that's required is trim, size, fireform, and probably a final trim after fire form. My brass has many reloads on them so far with no losses.

The best match for brass is likely the 50-90 Sharps, in addition to trim to length you will have to trim rim as well.

Good luck
Tom

nohorse · February 10, 2021, 12:01:31 PM

Thanks Tom! By the way, Did your new 50 ALaskan brass shrink or grow during fireforming? My other calibers usually shrink. In this case I would leave my initial trimming a little bit long.

I just dropped the hammer on the Presidio and all loading accessories from 4 different web sites. Wound up with .50 Alaskan brass and the RCBS dies along with a Lyman trimmer, pilot, & deburr tool for .50 cal.

What is the desired over all cartridge length for the Presidio carbine? My .45-60 Carbine runs great anywhere between 2.22 - 2.31

Thanks!

KenH · February 10, 2021, 12:06:49 PM

Quote from: King Medallion on February 09, 2021, 10:15:39 PM

https://sites.google.com/site/rockymountaincartridge/home/prices
http://the-puzzle-palace.com/files/baco2.htm#50
couple places to start for brass.

The link to rockymountaincartridges is an old link and is no longer valid. It turns up a website, but it's old. I think this linke: https://www.rockymountaincartridge.com/ will be much better. as said, their brass is NOT cheap. Imagine turning out the brass one at a time from brass rod.

If you find contact info on the puzzle palace site please post it.

Ken H>

nohorse · February 10, 2021, 12:11:15 PM

I found rocky mountain. I will prolly put in an order and maybe it will show up one day. That puzzle palace link looks kinda janky. Even if I could find contact info I am not confident that I would ever receive anything.

King Medallion · February 10, 2021, 01:27:15 PM

I didn't know the validity of the links, I copied them from the 45/75 Brass thread, so, yeah, they were fairly old. they had 50/95 in them, so thought they would help. Didn't mean to mislead.

nohorse · February 10, 2021, 01:54:59 PM

No thoughts of misleading here. Very grateful for any help!

By the way, just got my tracking number for the Presidio!! Yeehaw!

KenH · February 10, 2021, 03:15:45 PM

Quote from: nohorse on February 10, 2021, 12:11:15 PM
I found rocky mountain. I will prolly put in an order and maybe it will show up one day. That puzzle palace link looks kinda janky. Even if I could find contact info I am not confident that I would ever receive anything.

Agreed on the puzzle palace site, I don't think it's still active. I do think you'll get your order from rocky mountain just fine. I sent them an email question a few hours ago and got a response from Cheri later. She even found my email in her spam folder. She says each order of brass is custom made to YOUR specs to be sure it works correctly.

Good luck and have fun

hpbear101 · February 10, 2021, 03:58:26 PM

I cut mine a little long, fireformed then trimmed to length. I had Lee make me a case trimmer as I had a hard time keeping my old RCBS trimmer consistent (I have the old collet style). The lee custom case trimmer was cheap and they are consistent. I use the Accurate 51-350CL, I used an OAL of 2.25 minus the distance to the crimping groove which if I remember right was 1.875 cartridge trim length. I look back at it now and could have gone with a slightly longer overall length and just went with the standard 1.89 length. I think original brass was 1.92 but it was for a 300sh grain bullet that was crimped over the ogive.

pinto beans · February 10, 2021, 07:14:19 PM

Greetings All. I can attest to Rock Mountain Cartridge. Mine is 45-75 and not 50-95 but have had the best of service with the brass and in dealing with the company, they are good folks. Have several rounds of RMC brass and used it for some time now as reported in the sections on 45-75. The brass comes a little long to let you trim to length that best suits you. Well made and is lasting very well to date. Best of luck with the 50-95 and keep us posted!!!

nohorse · February 11, 2021, 10:16:27 AM

Thanks PB!

King Medallion · February 19, 2021, 10:25:23 PM

Quote from: nohorse on February 10, 2021, 01:54:59 PM

By the way, just got my tracking number for the Presidio!! Yeehaw!

Well?

Sir Charles deMouton-Black · February 20, 2021, 11:03:57 AM

Look at CH4D dies. They have been the most reasonably priced, at least for old, obsolete, and specialty calibers. Excellent quality, IMHO.

They also have a number of useful tools if you are into cartrdge case conversions. Like making 45-75 cases form .348WCF. Less necessary now that new brass is available now & then.

nohorse · February 20, 2021, 04:58:53 PM

Well got the Presidio today. Literally just walked in the door from the dealers. We had a pretty bad time this week with weather in Dallas. I still dont have a case trimmer but I got some Starline 50 Alaskan and hand trimmed them and ran them through the RCBS die set. The bolt wouldnt close. The rims are too thick. I measured the rims at .061 - .063 so I took 2 pieces and ran them in a figure 8 on a piece of sandpaper till the rims were .058 and the bolt closes nice, .059 is slightly snug. This is gonna be a nightmare to make cases from 50 Alaskan. I wonder if Starline .50-90 brass is thinner? Trimming the diameter is enough work, but thinning the rims without a lathe will be a pain. I left a voicemail for Rocky Mountain brass but they never called back.

I also ordered the .513 lead bullets from Midway by Montana Precision Swaging - they are junk. The outside diameter varies from .507 to .513, they are way out of round. I also got some Blue Falcons from Gunbroker and they look great but no crimp groove. They will be too short if crimped over the top band so I will try to crimp into the top grease groove, with smokeless powder that shouldnt be a problem.... if I ever get some brass.

Can anyone measure the rim thickness of some Starline .50-90 for me? I need about .057-.059 for a tolerance. I am also gonna try RMC again on Monday and see if I can order some brass from them. This is turning into a real project, but like my dad said, nothing good is ever easy.