Remington Creedmore - No drooling please

Started by Silver Creek Slim, December 15, 2005, 10:05:10 AM

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Silver Creek Slim


For a mere $12,500.00  :o
http://www.gunsamerica.com/guns/976666881.htm

No, I don't own it and don't know who owns it. But, wish I owned it.  ;)

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deucedaddyj

(drooling) THat's the purtieist rifle I believe I've ever seen.

Four-Eyed Buck

Oh, sure, Slim, make me get my keyboard all wet! ;D 44 S?= 44 Sharps? It's nice, but a little rich for me pocket. Unless I hit a big lottery jackpot.............Buck 8) ;)
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Silver Creek Slim

Quote from: Four-Eyed Buck on December 15, 2005, 11:40:46 AM
Oh, sure, Slim, make me get my keyboard all wet! ;D 44 S?= 44 Sharps? It's nice, but a little rich for me pocket. Unless I hit a big lottery jackpot.............Buck 8) ;)
I would say it is .44-77, but I might be wrong. It could happen.  :D

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Silver_Rings

That's very pretty. :) Almost too nice to shoot.  ;)

Hard to justify having 3/4 of a car invested in a rifle though.

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deucedaddyj

Heck with 3/4 of a car, that gun is worth as much as my truck!

gw

Slim---Don't feel too bad about not owning it, I mean if you did, would you really have the "conicals" to shoot it??? Don't think I would!

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Will Ketchum

Heck, the rifle will only go up in value.  A car goes down. ;)

I wouldn't own a gun I wouldn't shoot so I guess I'll pass on this one. :D

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Delmonico

Off the top of my head I'd say 44-90, this was a popular long range round. 
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litl rooster

After checking my Lottery ticket....nope not tonight. I would shoot it at least once.
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Bristow Kid

Thats one heck of a rifle.  But dang y'all talking about cars where I live that would by atleast one house and maybe two if ya wanted fixer uppers.  think I'll pass on it too but would be sweet to fire just once
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Silver Creek Slim

Quote from: gw on December 15, 2005, 04:52:16 PM
Slim---Don't feel too bad about not owning it, I mean if you did, would you really have the "conicals" to shoot it??? Don't think I would!

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If I owned it, I definitely would shoot it. I'm not a collector. I'm a shooter.  :)

Slim
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RattlesnakeJack

Well it is possible to acquire a similar-looking rifle for perhaps 1/10th the price -



That is the Pedersoli #876 "Rolling Block Super Match" model - only one of several similar models ....  Check out their Rolling Block page (at least 18 different models) -
http://www.davide-pedersoli.com/ArmiCategoria.aspx?CategoriaId=249&lang=en

Alas, my own Rolling Block is merely the #870 "Long Range Creedmoor Standard" model -

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Delmonico

Ok, I did a little research on calibers, the caliber for the original Creedmoore Rollers as used in the match against the Irish Team and their Rigby muzzle loaders was a 44-90, but not the Sharps version, but the 44 Remington Special.  This was a necked case, a little fatter than either the 44-77 and 44-90 Sharps and was 2 7/16 in length, the Sharps rounds were 2 1/4 and 2 5/8 long.  This is the most likely round for this rifle  Factory loads shot a 550 gr bullet 0.442 in dia.

There is a later (1880) 44 Remington that is a straight case 2 6/10 inches long, but it is a rare bird and is often called a 44-90 or 44-100 Straight depending on bullet weight.  It also fires a 0.442 bullet.  If this was the round it would most likely be marked 44-2 6/10.

One would want to have a chamber cast made if one wanted to fire this rifle, this would tell one for sure which case it used and if the chamber had been modified, not that uncommon.  As far as I can tell, either 44 Remington round can not be made from any other brass and would most likely take a few custom lathe turned cases to fire it as well as a custom mould.

One wonders why both a straight and a bottle neck round of the same capacity?  Some match shooters of the era prefered a bottle neck round, some a straight case, Remingtom offered both.

Remington also offered a 45-90 Necked as well as the more common straight cases in 45.

Sharps offered 40-50, 40-70 and 40-90 in both straight and necked cases.
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SFT

If I could afford that rifle then I could afford to shoot it too.  I bet Turnbull restorations would be glad to fix it up should you nick up the stock at the range!
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