1860 Richards Transition Question

Rube Burrows · February 25, 2023, 09:50:02 AM

Lots of good info in here guys, as usual. Thanks.

Pappy Hayes · December 06, 2023, 07:01:05 PM

Quote from: Long Johns Wolf on January 09, 2020, 02:15:45 AM
Two costly alternatives:
# have a C&B 1860 Army replica converted to a Richards by a conversion artist - ? 1500+,
# have an oversized Uberti R2 converted to a Richards by a conversion artist - ? 300 to 500.
Pics of a friend's former Uberti R2 converted to R1
Long Johns Wolf

Is there anyone sill making type two into a type 1?

Coffinmaker · December 06, 2023, 10:50:56 PM

Ah, no one currently that I am aware of. Might still be one guy in Europe still doing it. Dunno.

Long Johns Wolf · December 07, 2023, 01:30:44 AM

Yes, the smith in Austria, Karl Nedbal, is still doing the R2 - R1 "transitions".
Long Johns Wolf

Crow Choker · December 07, 2023, 10:24:10 AM

Quote from: Long Johns Wolf on December 07, 2023, 01:30:44 AM
Yes, the smith in Austria, Karl Nedbal, is still doing the R2 - R1 "transitions".
Long Johns Wolf

LJW---Were the prices you quoted in 2020 from this guy? Wonder what his current price is? Were your quotes in US dollars? Imagine the price of shipping one over and back or having one purchased in Austria and shipped to the US wouldn't be cheap.

Professor Marvel · December 07, 2023, 04:34:29 PM

Quote from: Crow Choker on December 07, 2023, 10:24:10 AM
LJW---Were the prices you quoted in 2020 from this guy? Wonder what his current price is? Were your quotes in US dollars? Imagine the price of shipping one over and back or having one purchased in Austria and shipped to the US wouldn't be cheap.

I believe, but cannot prove, that the biggest impediment would be the entire "cartridge gun import/export nonsense!
I ahve seen a number of "pre 1898" cartridge guns on auction sights coming from Britain or the EU but the
Import nonsense is so crazy I would fear for ever getting it, let alone the ulcer inducing paperwork....

Yhs
Prof mumbles

Crow Choker · December 07, 2023, 05:38:50 PM

Hear ya there Professor, was thinking when I typed that post the import/export nightmare.

Long Johns Wolf · December 08, 2023, 02:00:33 AM

Do you want me to check back for you with Nedbal?
Where to obtain the R2, prices of the R1-conversion ring, installation and fitting?
Long Johns Wolf

Pappy Hayes · December 09, 2023, 04:16:35 PM

Would just the conversion ring be available for purchase and there be the big problem of importing to the US?

Long Johns Wolf · December 10, 2023, 01:43:58 AM

"Historical replacement parts" were imported into the USA w/o problems.
However, you should be able to remove the R2 conversion ring from the Ubert and fit the R1 ring ... or have a smith who would do that for you.
Long Johns Wolf

Abilene · December 10, 2023, 05:46:27 PM

Quote from: Long Johns Wolf on December 10, 2023, 01:43:58 AM
"Historical replacement parts" were imported into the USA w/o problems.
However, you should be able to remove the R2 conversion ring from the Ubert and fit the R1 ring ... or have a smith who would do that for you.
Long Johns Wolf

You would then need to modify the hammer as well, or maybe a percussion hammer be a drop in?

Pappy Hayes · December 10, 2023, 07:11:42 PM

If any become available I would be interested in buying. Thanks for all the info. Right now I am thinking about buying a Type 2 in 38 special to build as close as cn be a 61 Navy conversion. But would much rather have a Type 1 but that could be a while.

Coffinmaker · December 11, 2023, 08:27:09 AM

Abilene

Correctamundo!! Hammer has to be modified as well. richards Firing Pin is of course, frame mounted in the Breach Ring.