Cimarron's new American model!

[Speedballalice]

23gr of BP can be put in a 44russian starline case with the correct bullet such as the ideal 429184. The 429478 "Anderton" bullet will also work.
  Both of these bullet have less than others inside the case when seated fully.
The old 429251 bullet I also cast will only work well with 23gr in old buttonhead Peter's brass. Trying to compress 23gr of BP in starline brass under this bullet was possible but showed very low velocities. My take on this was the powder was so compressed it was not burning fully.
I have chronographed all of these loads and the good ones achieved close to claimed original velocities with Goex 3f out of my open top and transition type 2.

[Abilene]

... My American has been sent back to cimarron (unfired)hopefully to return soon.

Because...?

[Speedballalice]

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[Black River Smith]

Speedballalice,

Thanks for that info.  I have used the Lyman 429251 bullet for my 44 Russian's in the Open Top since about 2003.  Mainly because of the weight and a crimp groove.  Yes, I did use only BP back then, but now have to use smokeless for my shooting.

I will try getting my hands on a Lyman 429184 bullet mold and give it a try.

[Abilene]

23gr of BP can be put in a 44russian starline case with the correct bullet such as the ideal 429184. The 429478 "Anderton" bullet will also work....

What is the OAL of that Russian with the 429184 bullet?  Wondering if it would feed in a toggle link rifle.

[Speedballalice]

What is the OAL of that Russian with the 429184 bullet?  Wondering if it would feed in a toggle link rifle.

I have checked this. When I get home I will look at my notes.
I do know that if you seat the 429251 bullet out exposing the crimp groove it will feed ireally smooth n my henrys and 66 carbine. And you can fit 23gr of BP behind it in a starline case . Can't comment on how they shoot though. My rifles are 45 colt and 44-40.

[Abilene]

Thanks.  1.4" OAL in a Schofield feeds in my .45 '73, so I think if the Russian could be made that long it would probably feed in my 44 Spcl '66.  Otherwise the rifle would need one of those modified carriers for short rounds.

[Speedballalice]

The 429184 bullet cycles good through my 44-40 Henry and my 45 Colt 66 Carbine. The Henry will hold 14 in the tube +1. Below are measurements.

[Abilene]

Hmm, that would work!  Thank you.  But I wonder if anyone sells the 429184, because I don't cast.

[Speedballalice]

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[Abilene]

Okay, I take it back.  Thanks for the offer to cast up some bullets to try out, but it just occurred to me that I do NOT want to shoot round-nose bullets in a rifle! 

[U.S.M.R.]

Regarding how comfortable an American feels. When they became available you had a choice of a percussion revolver or a conversion. The American loaded and ejected faster. You could get used to it. When I shot with the N-SSA I shot a Parker Hale pattern 1858 naval rifle because it was superior to other rifles. It was stocked different but I got used to it and good with it. The point being if it's the best you'll get used to it.

[U.S.M.R.]

Looking at my new Americans I realized that they are threaded for a lanyard ring. The early Americans were not threaded for one. What really caught my eye is that they're threaded like the original. A threaded hole with a pin on the side to prevent turning. All three Russian models used the same method. The Uberti Russians have a straight shaft with a pin through the center. I wonder why they used the correct method on the American even though it shouldn't have it, and why they used an incorrect method on the Russian.

[DrummerBoy]

I'm sure you gentlemen  realize how long this venue has become...
I'm now as responsible as everyone else

[DrummerBoy]

Of course the double attachment didn't help !!!
(BTW I talked to Bobby at Cimarron and got on the list for a "Vlad/Donny", but there was .45 at Midway and I fell for it! all I have for ammo is the Black Hills.. one box of Winchester Cowboy for the .44 Special)
All are more accurate than I am!

[DrummerBoy]

Hmmm still learning....

[Lettow]

Here is mine.

Interesting that they changed the caliber markings.

[Speedballalice]

Yeah, I noticed that too. Who knows.

[U.S.M.R.]

My .44 American is marked.44 Colt & Russian S & W Special on the barrel. The rear of the cylinder is marked .44 Colt. Also it's in a different serial number range than my.45 American and the rest of my top breaks for that matter. Little minor differences between them.

[Black River Smith]

Lettow,

Will your revolver still load a 44 Spec casing (ie will it handle a 44 spec, properly)?

Or

Will it only handle 44 Colt length cartridges?