'58 Remmy With Colt Markings!!

[Fox Creek Kid]

Today I looked at an Italian '58 Remington .44 that has a Colt barrel marking!! I kid you not!!    Year of make is AI (1982) and the maker I cannot figure out. The stamp looks like a pyramid of the letter "A", but it's not like any Armi San Marco stamp I've seen!! The grip feels like the older/smaller (& historically correct Pietta size). The gun has not been fired IMO and the person wanted an appraisal. I am scratching my head on this one.    I know that ASM did this for a short time ages ago on some Colt percussion clones, but quickly stopped for legal reasons obviously. I am bewildered.

[Tuolumne Lawman]

Wow, that's a tough one!

[Crow Choker]

  Walll', maybe someone in some gun factory heard a old story rumour or read a old article that someone just printed as true that Colt at one time was thinking about buying out Remington and bringing out a top frame Remington style percussion (before the 1873) and decided to get ahead of the crowd and make a few prototypes. Being that Remington in our time bought out Marlin and the "unofficial" name for Marlin lever actions is 'Remlins', these could be called "Colmington's'.. Just thinking ahead of the game!

[Professor Marvel]

Today I looked at an Italian '58 Remington .44 that has a Colt barrel marking!! I kid you not!!    Year of make is AI (1982) and the maker I cannot figure out. The stamp looks like a pyramid of the letter "A", but it's not like any Armi San Marco stamp I've seen!! The grip feels like the older/smaller (& historically correct Pietta size). The gun has not been fired IMO and the person wanted an appraisal. I am scratching my head on this one.    I know that ASM did this for a short time ages ago on some Colt percussion clones, but quickly stopped for legal reasons obviously. I am bewildered.

My Dear FCK -

if you can possibly get and post photos, that would be a wonderful thing!

only two things come to mind -
- a factory oops ( deliberate or otherwise - I can imagine some fine fellow coming back from a long pasta lunch with too much wine and running a remmy barrel thru the colt rollstamp for fun or via blurry vision)

- a deliberate barrel swap after the fact - but how would be extremely labor intensive....

- a wierd restamp by a prior owner - the most likely as we know via defarbs, forgeries, etc....

oops that's three.

[Abilene]

... - a factory oops ( deliberate or otherwise - I can imagine some fine fellow coming back from a long pasta lunch with too much wine and running a remmy barrel thru the colt rollstamp for fun or via blurry vision)...

That was gonna be my best guess.  I have seen a number of "errors" from Uberti that escaped QC, but nothing that bad!  

[Fox Creek Kid]

...

- a wierd restamp by a prior owner - the most likely as we know via defarbs, forgeries, etc....

It wouldn't be a factory error as no Italian factory is supposed to use a Colt marked stamp. It doesn't look like a defarbed "redo", but I need to examine it closer. I could be wrong however:


http://harpersferrycivilwarguns.com/services

[LonesomePigeon]

Armi San marco did put Colt markings on many of their Colt replicas. I never heard of them putting them on a Remington repro but I wouldn't put it past them. Some of the stamps they used were rather poor imitations and some of them were very good. I have a Walker from 1982 that appears to have the exact same barrel address and cylinder markings of a Colt 2nd Generation Walker. Some people say that Armi San Marco was making the parts for Uberti who was in turn contracted by Colt to produce parts for the 2nd Gens.


Colt eventually put a stop to ASM's use of the Colt markings. Some people say that Colt sued or threatened to sue but one forum poster who was a lawyer said that he searched for any court documents to that effect and could find none. Another theory is that Colt got the US Customs Dept. to refuse entry of shipments containing Colt marked guns. Armi San Marco guns with buffed out "Colt's Patent" cylinders where the word "Colt's" has been buffed out are fairly common.

Regarding the pyramid shaped marking, here are some of the maker's marks that Armi San Marco used, photos 4 and 5 are pyramid shaped: http://blackpowdersmoke.com/colt/index.php/topic,686.0.html

[Fox Creek Kid]

...Regarding the pyramid shaped marking, here are some of the maker's marks that Armi San Marco used, photos 4 and 5 are pyramid shaped: http://blackpowdersmoke.com/colt/index.php/topic,686.0.html

Thank you, sir!! The mark fourth down is the one!! 

Here are some photos I took today:






Here it is SxS with my 1975 Pietta:

[Professor Marvel]

My Good FCK -

Thanks for the photos, it is clearly an ASM italian repop, and it looks like the imitation "Saml Colt" rollstamp used by certain makers.
as we can see, it is stamped in the opposite direction from what it should be (upside down?) if that makes sense. I suspect
that was done on purpose as "part of the fun"

Since the octagonal barrels from colts can't fit a remmy without a ton of rework,  all I can imagine is some defarber got ahold of the colt rollstamp and had some fun 

As they say, "it's a mystery" and I expect the perpetrator defarber is having some great laffs.

yhs
prof marvel