Which brass 45/70??

Slamfire · February 03, 2018, 12:28:31 PM

I load & shoot 40/60 win.( chaparral 1876 ) tried Jamison ..not happy..starline good.. how does Remington-peters compare to starline..anyone have any problems with R-P ? Fix'n to order a couple'a hundred would like to have a little info. one way or the other. Oh y'a,,shoot 200-210gr and 240-245gr CB's only..buying 45/70's & resizing .

smoke'm if y'a got'm,,,,Hootmix.

Ranch 13 · February 03, 2018, 02:38:15 PM

Until I tried the Hornady component brass, RP was the best for consistent accuracy. The Hornady is really good stuff, but it is a bit more expensive.

Slamfire · February 03, 2018, 07:26:01 PM

Hey Ranch23 thank you for reply .

Ranch 13 · February 03, 2018, 07:49:45 PM

Glad to help

LongWalker · February 04, 2018, 12:13:03 AM

Remington was always my standby for any case forming based on the 45-70. I once messed up and sized some WW cases into bottleneck cases: they all separated at the cannelure before they were loaded 5x.

Slamfire · February 04, 2018, 01:01:58 PM

Hey Ranch "13"..sorry about typo. While I'v been on here ask'n about diff. brass I got the chance to buy some New Starline Brass in 45/70 at a very good price ..jumped on it. May still pick-up R-P to load for my friends Trapdoor rifle.

Thank's ya'll.

smoke'm if y'a got'm,,,,Hootmix.

Ranch 13 · February 04, 2018, 01:37:38 PM

Watch that starline, the last couple of batches I've seen, very inconsistant in rim thickness and web diameter.

Baltimore Ed · February 04, 2018, 02:47:01 PM

As coarse as the sight picture is with my NWMP Chappy carbine I can't imagine that the brand of cut down .45-70 brass would matter at all. Bullet, powder yes, brass nah.

dusty texian · February 04, 2018, 03:11:03 PM

Hey Slamfire , what didn't you like about the Jamison brass? ,,,DT

greyhawk · February 04, 2018, 04:08:40 PM

Fellers - some musings on brass

FWIW - we have had a number of lengthways splits with RP brass in 44/40 - Uberti chambers that are pretty neat so its not an oversize chamber problem - blackpowder only reloads - dont see it with starline or Winchester W brass --

Starline has maybe 12 thou variation in rim trhickness - how do I know this - dummy !!! headspaced a .92 using a case as a gauge - seems I picked a thinner rimmed case at random - set it up with appropriate clearance but got a percentage of thicker rims that will not allow the bolt to close cleanly --- THEN --- I got the calipers out !!!!! measured rim thickness on 200 cases, so maybe 5% of that brass is enough over spec to cause me grief.

Firiend of mine is adamant Starline holds more blackpowder than others - we argue this often - peer down into a new starline 44/40 and it APPEARS like its almost balloon head - like the old Dominion cases - cept its not ! he is seein things that are not there. I have compared case capacity with my scale and I bet him starline holds a little less powder IF there is a difference = the brass is a little thicker i think.

Slamfire · February 04, 2018, 05:12:20 PM

Hey DT..has to do with a small amount of head space on my chaparral the Jamison brass I bought back when I got my 76 chappy has a rim thickness of .05 consistently..starline @ .063-.065 bolt locks up better ( both the orig. chappy. bolt and the the org. win. 76 bolt ) but 45/70 starline is even a little thicker ..it's easier to mill down than to mill " UP ". I still have about 48 pcs. of Jamison,, New never loaded ,, never know may get another 76 ( it is my favorite rifle ,y'a know ).

Greyhawk ..I'v read that argument many times and since I shoot smokeless I'm sure any of the diff. mfg's cases will hold what I will be need'n. I'v been shoot'n TB as of late and really enjoy it ( 2-3"in groups at 100yds. open sights..) also use 4198 .

Also DT..they to hard -to soft ,what about the lube? Thank's to all.

smoke'm if y'a got'm,,,,Hootmix

dusty texian · February 04, 2018, 05:21:33 PM

Ok I gotcha on the rim thickness , have not shot the 40/60 yet. Been working up some ammo for my New / Old 76 Extra Heavy barrel 45/75 and am planning a trip down to the big country soon . Will get some shooting in while enjoying the S/W desert . Will try them then , and let you know .,,,DT

greyhawk · February 04, 2018, 09:17:02 PM

Quote from: Slamfire on February 04, 2018, 05:12:20 PM
Hey DT..has to do with a small amount of head space on my chaparral the Jamison brass I bought back when I got my 76 chappy has a rim thickness of .05 consistently..starline @ .063-.065 bolt locks up better ( both the orig. chappy. bolt and the the org. win. 76 bolt ) but 45/70 starline is even a little thicker ..it's easier to mill down than to mill " UP ". I still have about 48 pcs. of Jamison,, New never loaded ,, never know may get another 76 ( it is my favorite rifle ,y'a know ).

Greyhawk ..I'v read that argument many times and since I shoot smokeless I'm sure any of the diff. mfg's cases will hold what I will be need'n. I'v been shoot'n TB as of late and really enjoy it ( 2-3"in groups at 100yds. open sights..) also use 4198 .

Also DT..they to hard -to soft ,what about the lube? Thank's to all.

smoke'm if y'a got'm,,,,Hootmix

Slamfire
I guess I was kinda peeved at the variation in rim thickness with those cases - but got caught with me pants down - didnt do my work as well as I should have - FWIW - they were 44/40 - three years old at least - sittin there unused - ran em through the sizer die down to 38/40 cuz I was in a hurry to go shoot !! - Have not measured a run of anybody elses brass to check rim thickness - these were 12 thou from fat to skinny - dunno what is specs but that seems tooo much to me.
No big deal really - just means I need to be ultra careful what I load up for that 38/40 - am not gonna pull it down and redo headspace - it shoots nice.
Greyhawk

greyhawk · February 04, 2018, 09:38:24 PM

Quote from: dusty texian on February 04, 2018, 05:21:33 PM
Ok I gotcha on the rim thickness , have not shot the 40/60 yet. Been working up some ammo for my New / Old 76 Extra Heavy barrel 45/75 and am planning a trip down to the big country soon . Will get some shooting in while enjoying the S/W desert . Will try them then , and let you know .,,,DT

Hey Dusty
Enjoy the trip -- you realise I will be here drooling until you get back and post some pics of that heavy barrel 76 and tellus the best load you found ...... proly will be other fellers drooling too.

When I was a youngster in school we watched a movie (I thought it was called the last hunt?) two guys go in the store and they buy a sharps and a heavy barrel '76 to go hunt the last of the buffalo ......on it goes .. theres a scene where they are doing the actual shoot - sittin on a hill using sticks to support the guns - about every ten the repeater guy uses a "cleaning round" - (yeah its a movie !!) - extra boot and more noise - at the end you see this picture of the ground around their feet littered with those big fat brass cases and fifty odd buffalo down - it even showed them going down when they shot - at the end of the movie there was a story how the scene was an actual harvest/culling of the herd in one of the national parks where bufaffalo were being restored - I have watched the last hunt and several other movies looking for those scenes I remember - but I dont se em - was I dreaming or did I not look good enough - figured you might know. I am talking about a movie I watched no later than 1963
cheers
Greyhawk

Slamfire · February 05, 2018, 02:25:11 AM

Hey Ranch 13,,sure hope the starline hasn't gone "bad" on us ..I just ordered 200 pcs !!! ( I new better than to brag on somthi'n ).

Greyhawk..backin 15 er 16 ( old timer's talk ) when I started this ride I bought 1000 pcs. of Starline in 44/40 ( it is my favorite rifle y'a know ) loaded 200 rds w/ w231 200 gr. cb's..still reloading the same 200 crushed a couple..lost 3-4 but never any trouble load'n in my 92 ( old rossi ) use same loads in my "outlaws " ( they are my favorite pistol's ,,y'a know ) ..but Ranch ,say's " watch'm & LongWalker said some of his brand "split" sure hope it ain't a sign of the time's .

Need a nother cup of coffee,,,,,Hootmix.

dusty texian · February 05, 2018, 07:22:00 AM

What brand you drinking Slamfire , may buy some stock in that coffee co. LOL . Greyhawk will report on the EHB 76 soon. Yes I do remember the movie ( The last hunt ) just like you say .,,,,,DT

Slamfire · February 05, 2018, 08:35:56 AM

Mor'n DT,,whatever brand is on sale I'm one of those folk's that only sleeps about 3-4 hrs a nite but I do have to catch a nap @ about 3:oo in the afternoon ..unless it's hay bal'n time.

coffee's ready,,,,Hootmix.

Ranch 13 · February 05, 2018, 08:39:19 AM

Slamfire, the last batch of 40-65 scrupline brass, probably about 10 percent had to shave the case head off to get them to chamber and close the breech on the wife CSA 1885. Box of 44-40's are straight as a string, ie you actually form the case the first trip thru the size die..
Never have been a fan of the brand, and this last batch of brass, pretty much seals the deal on it being the last batch..

Cliff Fendley · February 05, 2018, 09:34:13 AM

Starline 44-40 brass is actually straight walled and tapered so it doesn't actually look like real 44-40 brass until fire formed to the chamber.

Slamfire · February 05, 2018, 11:09:39 AM

Dang !! Ranch thanks for the "Alert" hopefully my order of 45/70 brass will be "OK" I will be cutting it down to reform to 40/60 ..don't y'a just love it when a plan comes together . The more we expect quality seems like the less we get. I'll be sure and holler when the brass gets here and let y'a know.

side note: what OAL do you use on "your "40/65 brass ??

smoke'm if y'a got'm,,,,Hootmix.