45 Cowboy Special: Starline made it legit?

[Johnny_Cyclone]

45 Colt, 45 Schofield, 45 ACP, and 45 Auto Rim.

original pic by Driftwood Johnson


Wiley Clapp - American Rifleman - December 18, 2013

[Coffinmaker]

B Ed,

Because.  There are a lot of folks out there who have 45s.  They wan t them to be more comfortable to shoot.  They aren't necessarily "GAMERS" and they aren't necessarily chasing "Gamer Loads."  

For a less "intense" experience, something easier on the wrist, the 45 Colt is a very inefficient cartridge.  Getting a good burn at reduced load levels can be difficult at best.  The 45 CS allows a lighter load in a more efficient configuration.  Instead of messing with tons of "fillers" a smaller case just makes more sense.

Now that Starline is selling it direct, it's not "Pricy" nor "hard to get" special brass.  Buy it like any other brass.  There is a marked difference in length between 45 Schofield and 45 Spl.  Just go to your supply of brass and set a 45 ACP next to a Schofield.  The difference will become painfully obvious.  Nanny Nanny Poo Poo!!

[Johnny_Cyclone]

Does anyone have a pic of a .44 Henry cartridge next to a .45 Cowboy Special for comparison sake?
Curious minds and all that ya know..

[Baltimore Ed]

C,
Thank you very much for the enlightenment. Sometimes I speak before I measure. Nanny nanny poo pooo??? Well, I never heard such!!!
B.Ed

[Dick Dastardly]

I ordered 1000 pieces.  Maybe I should have ordered more.

DD-MDA

[Coffinmaker]

DD ......

Brass is like Oreos.  One can never have too much.   

Smedley

[rbertalotto]

Darn! I won a $50 gift certificate to Starline at the last Cowboy shoot. I use 45CS and would have used the gift certificate for more 45CS. Instead I "wasted" the certificate on more 38-40

BTW, their description says...."Generally these can be loaded using .45 Colt dies".....That would be 45ACP dies....

I've been shooting them for years and have never seen a split case. Fantastic for black powder shooting with Big Lube bullets

[Dick Dastardly]

Great image Rbertalotto,

This will help fellow shooters to know what the C45Spl looks like as well as showing the very appropriate use of the 45 Slim Big Lube bullets.

DD-MDA

[rbertalotto]

Loving me those Big Lubes!

[greyhawk]

Darn! I won a $50 gift certificate to Starline at the last Cowboy shoot. I use 45CS and would have used the gift certificate for more 45CS. Instead I "wasted" the certificate on more 38-40

NO ! -----buying 38/40 is never a waste

[Coffinmaker]

Are .. Bert .. Allotto,

Prey tell kind Sir ..... Have you run em C45S and 45 Slim Big Lubes thru a Toggle Link Rifle???  Looks too much like a Semi-Wad-Kutter, too run in Toggle Rifles.  Would work a treat as a pistol round though Betcha.

[rbertalotto]

No, I only use them in converted 1860 Colts with Kirst conversion cylinders. I shoot 38-40 in my rifles.

[Coffinmaker]

Ah So!!  Just as I suspected.  Not being critical either.  Semi-Wad Cutters of any flavor do not play well in Toggle Link Rifles.  Marginal at best in Fish and '92s too.  Howsome Ever:

Ever since before it's inception (C45S) and ever since it's inception (C45S) I have found the cartridge to be just absolutely dandy in all the 45 handguns I shoot.  My 1860 Snubbies and my 1851 .44 Snubbies are equipped with R&D type conversion cylinders and the C45S allows really nice shooting reduced loads without messing with fillers (mostly).  Also run quite nicely in my Open Tops.

Also just superb fun in Toggle link rifles modified to run the C45S.  Really fun to get `12 rounds in a Henry Trapper with a 16 inch barrel.  Or a '73 Trapper,  or a '66 Trapper, or stuff 18 of em in a full length Henry (WOW it gets HOT).  Just all round great FUN!!!

[Bibbyman]

Ah So!!  Just as I suspected.  Not being critical either.  Semi-Wad Cutters of any flavor do not play well in Toggle Link Rifles.  Marginal at best in Fish and '92s too.  Howsome Ever:

Ever since before it's inception (C45S) and ever since it's inception (C45S) I have found the cartridge to be just absolutely dandy in all the 45 handguns I shoot.  My 1860 Snubbies and my 1851 .44 Snubbies are equipped with R&D type conversion cylinders and the C45S allows really nice shooting reduced loads without messing with fillers (mostly).  Also run quite nicely in my Open Tops.

Also just superb fun in Toggle link rifles modified to run the C45S.  Really fun to get `12 rounds in a Henry Trapper with a 16 inch barrel.  Or a '73 Trapper,  or a '66 Trapper, or stuff 18 of em in a full length Henry (WOW it gets HOT).  Just all round great FUN!!!

You didn't include the Marlin 1894 as modified by Widowmaker Hill.

[Coffinmaker]

Well Hi Bibbyman!!

Just so.  Just so.  Basically atz 'cause I don't have one.  AJ first worked out the carrier modification that became the Widdermagic.  After Widder works his "Magic" onna Fish, can be a really competitive rifle and run C45S like wet grain thru a Goose.  I'm not sure if a Widdermagic will run 45 Semi-Wadcutters though.  It may.  Toggles won't.  Dandy pistol cartridge.

[Bibbyman]

Well Hi Bibbyman!!

Just so.  Just so.  Basically atz 'cause I don't have one.  AJ first worked out the carrier modification that became the Widdermagic.  After Widder works his "Magic" onna Fish, can be a really competitive rifle and run C45S like wet grain thru a Goose.  I'm not sure if a Widdermagic will run 45 Semi-Wadcutters though.  It may.  Toggles won't.  Dandy pistol cartridge.

Did you fire off the video I linked?  They even fed empty cases.

[Noz]

Darn! I won a $50 gift certificate to Starline at the last Cowboy shoot. I use 45CS and would have used the gift certificate for more 45CS. Instead I "wasted" the certificate on more 38-40

BTW, their description says...."Generally these can be loaded using .45 Colt dies".....That would be 45ACP dies....

I've been shooting them for years and have never seen a split case. Fantastic for black powder shooting with Big Lube bullets

I found that when I reloaded C45S cases using 45 ACP dies that I had an excessive amount of blowback.  The 45 ACP uses a tapered case. The 45 Colt is a straight wall. Changing to a 45 Colt sizing die solved the problem.

[Lucky R. K.]

I found that when I reloaded C45S cases using 45 ACP dies that I had an excessive amount of blowback.  The 45 ACP uses a tapered case. The 45 Colt is a straight wall. Changing to a 45 Colt sizing die solved the problem.

I had the same problem Noz. I solved it by shortening an old roll crimp die. It works great and really helped blowback.

Lucky

[Dick Dastardly]

No blowback worries whutsomever in my 1860s with Kirst Konverters.  I use 45 ACP dies with #11 shell holder.  I do, however, get some off color comments when I shoot the lil C45Spl ammo with my old model ROAs.  Big horse pistols with lil boolits.  They don't buck and snort much from those heavy guns.

DD-MDA

[Drydock]

Now please Starline, thin the rim a bit and give us .455 Webley Mk I brass!