Very Important Day In History

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Silver Creek Slim

#900
December 07, 2008, 02:41:30 PM
Thanks, Arcey.

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Texas Lawdog

#901
December 08, 2008, 07:46:14 AM
Leo, There is still a few of them still there, that last time is was over there which was about 3 years ago. Now since the Missouri is over there now, former crew members also conduct tours of it. We had a survivor living in Fort Worth that passed away last year. He was in the AirCorps and was on the ground during the attack.
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Leo Tanner

#902
December 12, 2008, 03:01:24 PM
December 12th, 1944 : The U.S. 8th and 15th Air Force plus the RAF pummeled Germany in the biggest fighting force that was ever put in the air. Britain had 1,000 bombers and 800 fighters who bombed railways and other targets in Germany


Leo
"When you have to shoot, shoot.  Don't talk."
     Tuco--The Good the Bad and the Ugly

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Texas Lawdog

#903
December 12, 2008, 06:59:56 PM
There was a large refinery at Merseberg that was heavily fortified. It was a primary target for the 398th Bomb Group of the 8th AF.
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Delmonico

#904
December 12, 2008, 07:03:54 PM
I know it was danged hard on the guys drivin' the trains, but I like to watch the gun camera footage of a P-47 or P-51 strafin' a train with them 50's.  Start at the back and run up to the engine and poof.
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Leo Tanner

#905
December 12, 2008, 07:11:30 PM
It was one of them "mess with the best, die like the rest" moments.


Leo
"When you have to shoot, shoot.  Don't talk."
     Tuco--The Good the Bad and the Ugly

"First comes smiles, then lies.  Last is gunfire."
     Roland Deschain

"Every man steps in the manure now an again, trick is not ta stick yer foot in yer mouth afterward"

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Delmonico

#906
December 12, 2008, 07:22:29 PM
Quote from: Leo Tanner on December 12, 2008, 07:11:30 PM
It was one of them "mess with the best, die like the rest" moments.


Leo

Yeah, but most those guys were civilians.
Mongrel Historian


Always get the water for the coffee upstream from the herd.

Ab Ovo Usque ad Mala

The time has passed so quick, the years all run together now.

Leo Tanner

#907
December 12, 2008, 08:43:39 PM
Quote from: Delmonico on December 12, 2008, 07:22:29 PM
Yeah, but most those guys were civilians.

Good point.  I don't imagine they had the option of saying "I quit" an findin another job.  Didn't think of it like that at first.


Leo
"When you have to shoot, shoot.  Don't talk."
     Tuco--The Good the Bad and the Ugly

"First comes smiles, then lies.  Last is gunfire."
     Roland Deschain

"Every man steps in the manure now an again, trick is not ta stick yer foot in yer mouth afterward"

religio SENIOR est exordium of scientia : tamen fossor contemno sapientia quod instruction.

litl rooster

#908
December 12, 2008, 11:23:21 PM
Leo most of the Americans and allies were civilian till the war started.
Mathew 5.9

Texas Lawdog

#909
December 13, 2008, 01:44:41 AM
The politicans always think we have plenty of military personell and when a conflict occurs. Then we have supplement the regular forces with reserves or a draft. Unfortunately the politicans have too much control when it comes to all phases of the military.
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Leo Tanner

#910
December 13, 2008, 12:14:07 PM
Quote from: litl rooster on December 12, 2008, 11:23:21 PM
Leo most of the Americans and allies were civilian till the war started.

Sure, but I think Del was referrin ta the German engine drivers who went poof.  That was the first modern war where lots of civilians went poof on both sides.


Leo
"When you have to shoot, shoot.  Don't talk."
     Tuco--The Good the Bad and the Ugly

"First comes smiles, then lies.  Last is gunfire."
     Roland Deschain

"Every man steps in the manure now an again, trick is not ta stick yer foot in yer mouth afterward"

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Texas Lawdog

#911
December 13, 2008, 12:25:34 PM
Leo, It ain't that them folks really wanted to work for the Nazis, they just didn't have much of a say so in the matter.
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Leo Tanner

#912
December 13, 2008, 12:58:30 PM
Quote from: Leo Tanner on December 12, 2008, 08:43:39 PM
Good point.  I don't imagine they had the option of saying "I quit" an findin another job.  Didn't think of it like that at first.


Leo


Quote from: Texas Lawdog on December 13, 2008, 12:25:34 PM
Leo, It ain't that them folks really wanted to work for the Nazis, they just didn't have much of a say so in the matter.


Kinda what I was gettin at yesterday.
     On the other hand I'm sure the RAF didn't have much of a problem with it after experiencing the bombing of London and surrounding areas.  Cutting off supply lines is important no matter who is saddled with delivering them.   


Leo
"When you have to shoot, shoot.  Don't talk."
     Tuco--The Good the Bad and the Ugly

"First comes smiles, then lies.  Last is gunfire."
     Roland Deschain

"Every man steps in the manure now an again, trick is not ta stick yer foot in yer mouth afterward"

religio SENIOR est exordium of scientia : tamen fossor contemno sapientia quod instruction.

Texas Lawdog

#913
December 13, 2008, 03:11:44 PM
Trains and tracks make real good strafing targets of opportunity. Them trains can't outrun them 50 cal. and 20 mm shells.
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litl rooster

#914
December 13, 2008, 04:05:42 PM
Quote from: Texas Lawdog on December 13, 2008, 12:25:34 PM
Leo, It ain't that them folks really wanted to work for the Nazis, they just didn't have much of a say so in the matter.


there was more of them than there was nazis soldiers.  They continued making their arms and weapons of war instead of using it to  oust a terrible dictator...damn this scenario seems to keep repeatin it's self.  >rant over<
Mathew 5.9

Leo Tanner

#915
December 13, 2008, 04:25:34 PM
Quote from: litl rooster on December 13, 2008, 04:05:42 PM

there was more of them than there was nazis soldiers.  They continued making their arms and weapons of war instead of using it to  oust a terrible dictator...damn this scenario seems to keep repeatin it's self.  >rant over<

     Yes it does.  Variations on a theme at the very least.
Hitler did sway a good many citizens to his way of thinking by using national pride.  They had just come out of a depression that left ours pale by comparison from most accounts and the ego bruise left by WWI was still fairly fresh.  A lot of folks were happy to follow him and a lot were just plain scared of him.  I'm looking forward to the Valkyrie movie that is coming out.  I read about the incident back in grade school and it will be interesting to see it made into a high budget movie so long as they stick with the facts.  It's good to know that not all Germans at the time were willing to just accept what was happening.  Some tried to do something about it.


Leo
"When you have to shoot, shoot.  Don't talk."
     Tuco--The Good the Bad and the Ugly

"First comes smiles, then lies.  Last is gunfire."
     Roland Deschain

"Every man steps in the manure now an again, trick is not ta stick yer foot in yer mouth afterward"

religio SENIOR est exordium of scientia : tamen fossor contemno sapientia quod instruction.

Texas Lawdog

#916
December 13, 2008, 06:28:35 PM
Unfortunately for them, all those attempts failed and he would up committing suicide. I think he was afraid of being capturing by the Russians.
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Leo Tanner

#917
December 13, 2008, 08:14:09 PM
If I remember right, what saved him during the bomb attempt was a well made table leg.  Blind luck at it's blindest.
 
     The Russians woulda definately put him through the ringer, no question.  I think we would have kept him fer trial but a trip east woulda been a whole differnt scenario.  Then again ya never know.  As the sniper in Saving Private Ryan said, "Give me a clear shot at Adolph Hitler within a mile radius and that's it boys, pack yer bags, war's over".  I'm sure a lot of allied soldiers held the same sentiment.


Leo
     
"When you have to shoot, shoot.  Don't talk."
     Tuco--The Good the Bad and the Ugly

"First comes smiles, then lies.  Last is gunfire."
     Roland Deschain

"Every man steps in the manure now an again, trick is not ta stick yer foot in yer mouth afterward"

religio SENIOR est exordium of scientia : tamen fossor contemno sapientia quod instruction.

litl rooster

#918
December 13, 2008, 08:26:40 PM
Winston Churchill supposely ordered a Electric Chair in the event they could bring him to trial
Mathew 5.9

Four-Eyed Buck

#919
December 13, 2008, 08:40:00 PM
You're correct, Leo. The table was a VERY heavy oak one and the legs were massive. The breif case got bumped/kicked a little, and the leg shielded him just enough. You can see that once he was gone, they folded right quick. most of them feared the Russians more because of what they did to that country earlier in the war. they knew they would have no mercy...........Buck 8)
I might be slow, but I'm mostly accurate.....
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