Shiloh Sharps

[wildman1]

Shiloh Rifle Manufacturing Company. I saw one yesterday in very good condition made sometime between 1980-83.What should it be worth?
wM1

[Yellowhouse Sam]

Depends on condition, caliber, and how its set up.  Also, if it is a Farmingdale Rifle they don't sell for quite as much.

[Tascosa Joe]

If it is a 50-90 it should not sell for a lot either.  50-90 in a light rifle 12# or less will make you a believer.

[wildman1]

50-140 should be good for LR.
wM1

[Lucky R. K.]

50-140 should be good for LR.
wM1

Excellent if you can stand the pain associated with firing twelve to twenty rounds from the prone position. I saw a guy shooting one at Camp Perry several years ago. The recoil would actually slide him back on the mat.
Lucky

[PJ Hardtack]

Condition determines the value of anything. I just got $1500 for a 26 year old Toyota 4x4 because it was properly maintained.

Shiloh does their best to dissuade people from ordering the .45/110 and .45/120 unless they are seasoned BPCR veterans.

Same for the .50 chamberings larger than 50-70. But - some guys gotta have the biggest gun on the range. I LOVE watching them shoot them, gritting their teeth, pretending they're having a good time after a the first few shots. Usually develops into a world class flinch.

Then I challenge them to a casual match .....

You rarely see Shilohs chambered in 45-70 on the market. They tend to be keepers.

[Ranch 13]

If the price was low enough it would be a good candidate to send to Shiloh and have it rebarreled to a more usable cartridge and the breechblock updated.
Having shot a 50-140 once, I can honestly say it's something I have no desire to do again.

[wildman1]

I contacted SS and they would rebarrel for $585.  R 13 what would you recommend for caliber for long range? I have a couple of 45-70's and a 45-90 highwall.
wM1

[wildman1]

Excellent if you can stand the pain associated with firing twelve to twenty rounds from the prone position. I saw a guy shooting one at Camp Perry several years ago. The recoil would actually slide him back on the mat.
Lucky

No doubt.

wM1

[Ranch 13]

I contacted SS and they would rebarrel for $585.  R 13 what would you recommend for caliber for long range? I have a couple of 45-70's and a 45-90 highwall.
wM1

It's pretty hard to best a 45-90, altho there are some good results in the creedmoor matches with the 45-70.

[wildman1]

I was thinkin more along the lines of a 40 cal either bottleneck or straight wall.
wM1

[PJ Hardtack]

Best solution is to sign onto the Shiloh forum and get the opinions of the guys who live and breath BPCR LR rifles.

What CAS shooters consider to be "long range" and what they consider "long range" are two different things.

I don't think any of the .40s could be considered "long range" by their standards.

[dusty texian]

Ranch 13, is just keeping his secret -weapon to himself (44-77  Sharps) a do it all cartridge .   ,,DT

[Ranch 13]

Ranch 13, is just keeping his secret -weapon to himself (44-77  Sharps) a do it all cartridge .   ,,DT

Well I thought about mentioning the 44 2 1/4, but when that happens there is all manner of folks jump all over it for being a bottleneck, not accurate, expensive, and a whole list of other inexperienced stuff.
But yes the 44-77 can do it all..

[dusty texian]

Yes Sir! agree with all of that! ,,,DT

[Ranch 13]

I was thinkin more along the lines of a 40 cal either bottleneck or straight wall.
wM1

Depends on what you are calling long range. Most 40's get into trouble going past 600 yds. To get past that you need to go with a 14 twist, lots of powder and heavy bullets, then the recoil is back into the 45's region.
I have a 40-70ss that shoots well to 600, but it only weighs a touch over 9 lbs. and by the end of a full blown midrange or silhouette match, the recoil starts to get a bit tiresome.

[wildman1]

Should have said 40+ cal either st wall or bottle neck. LR=1000+yds. What is the case that is used for 44-77?
wM1
Would you be willing to share your bullet specs?

[Ranch 13]

44-77 is it's own case. Captec makes them and used Shiloh's chamber drawing so you're good to go there.
Both my Shiloh's shoot the best with bullets from 1.1 inches long to 1.3. Anything over 1.3 inches gets a bit dicey past 800 yds. Paper patch for accuracy .434-435 patched in 8 lb paper. Greasers .448 diameter.
Recoil of the 44-77 is more than manageable.
If you have Shiloh rebarrel that rifle request the reamer with the 7 degree lead, it shoots both patched and greasers just fine.
Olde Eynsford 2 or 1 1/2 F both have proven to be the best powder, combining the accuracy and velocity without the harder fouling troubles that Swiss can give. 1 1/2 Swiss works the best of the Swiss powders if one is so inclined.
Chip Mate used his Shiloh in 44-77 with Olde Eynsford at the World Championship 1000 yd match at Ben Avery a couple of weeks ago to keep the big boys holding center real hard..We had a couple of relays that got into some real squirrels wind switches and mirage bubbles or he likely would of won the whole deal.

[wildman1]

Thanks Ranch 13 much appreciated. At this point I think the price on that one is a little steep, if I could get them to come down about $500 it might be doable.
What were the dates of that match at Avery? We were there from 2/13 thru 2/26.
wM1

[Ranch 13]

We were there the 8th or 9th and left on the 13th.