Ruger style handspring

45 Dragoon · November 25, 2016, 10:08:01 AM

Mike you're right , after re-reading my response I can see it may be seen as a little harsh. I thought Niederlander missed the point that it was the problem I had with the Ruger setup that lead to a fix that I needed.

Niederlander, Pettifogger, I didn't necessarily have a big problem with the C&P (Ruger coil and plunger) but Jim Martin pointed out to me one day how the weakness of that setup is prone to induce throw-by (he's pretty strict!! Lol!). Since then, I've sought a solution to that "problem" and have always shunned the C&P in favor of the tuned flat hand spring (unless a comp.shooter requested it).
This "pushrod/coil spring" is my solution and one that maybe even Mr.Martin may accept as a "fix".

If someone has the ability to and installs a C&P themselves and is satisfied with it, I have no problem with it (as if it should matter, lol). We all offer suggestions/experiences " take it or leave it " and a lot of learning goes on.

If I offended anyone, I sincerely apologize.

After all, a happy shooter is . . . . . . a HAPPY shooter!!!

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Niederlander · November 25, 2016, 10:59:01 AM

None taken! For what it's worth, I tested mine pretty thoroughly for function and I couldn't get it to fail. Having played with various single actions for thirty years plus, that certainly has not always been the case! I used Kuhnhausen's manual for a guide, otherwise I would probably have screwed it up............

45 Dragoon · November 25, 2016, 11:49:30 AM

Awesome!
Thanks Nederlander.

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Coffinmaker · November 25, 2016, 12:10:32 PM

Well ...... Echo Echo.

Hoping everybody had a happy thanksgiving. I'm still stuffed.

Coffinmaker

Niederlander · November 25, 2016, 02:23:53 PM

Quote from: 45 Dragoon on November 25, 2016, 11:49:30 AM
Awesome!
Thanks Nederlander.

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I should add, as well, that if I do start having issues with it I'm going to try your fix of the short spring/longer push rod. Just figured I'd use the Ruger pieces since I happened to have one on the bench. I found a #35 wire gauge drill was the perfect size to drill the hole.

45 Dragoon · November 26, 2016, 08:18:43 AM

Hopefully you won't develop any probs but if you do, good luck with the "pushrod"!
Heck, since you already have the hole in the frame, now you can " experiment " at your leisure ! You may even come up with a different setup!!

Thanks again!

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Pettifogger · November 26, 2016, 09:53:41 AM

Hmmm. Push rod vs. plunger. Sounds like the old "toe-may-toe vs. tah-mah-toe" argument. Same thing.

45 Dragoon · November 26, 2016, 07:50:34 PM

I can see why you would think that but, . . . . . . mines different (of course!!!).
Mine is longer so it will hold position better, has a "tail" to keep the spring off the sides and centered.
The Ruger "plunger " is just a contact piece to keep the spring from touching the hand.
So, since my "cap post" looks more like a post than a rake, my "pushrod " looks more like pushrod than a plunger (to me anyways).
But, you can call it whatever you want, toe-may-toe, toe-mah-toe (long as we're talking about the same thing).

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Niederlander · November 26, 2016, 08:34:56 PM

I can see why that would be superior, but I don't have the capability of making one like that. I do have a machinist friend, though.......

Pettifogger · November 26, 2016, 11:16:55 PM

I call mine a pawl assist der ventilkolben.

45 Dragoon · November 27, 2016, 12:20:50 AM

Ahhhh . . . . das ist gut!!! Lol!!

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Niederlander · November 27, 2016, 07:50:37 AM

It just occurred to me I could do that to my 3 screw Rugers, as well. If I have him make one, I may as well have him make several!

Pettifogger · November 27, 2016, 07:31:48 PM

Ruger makes a longer plunger and I'm pretty sure I had the parts numbers in the old how to fix your C&B article from years ago. Looks just like the one in the photo in reply #27.. If I recall it is a trigger plunger fromm a Ruger Red Hawk. (Double action revolver.) It is slightly smaller in diamter than a regular Ruger pawl plunger but that is no big deal you just drill a smaller hole.

Edit. Ran out in the garage and took a quick photo. Ruger on the left. Ruger on the right. I use both depending on the gun.

45 Dragoon · November 27, 2016, 09:39:19 PM

Hey Pettifogger, I made the one in my photo (reply # 27) . It is a slightly larger in diameter than the Ruger plunger pictured with it. The Ruger plunger in the pic is one of several I bought years ago. Didn't know there were others. Anyway, I made these for my customer and me and this particular one is in my Whitneyville Dragoon (U).

I included the tail to direct the force to the rod (or plunger) instead of rubbing the side of the hole.

I make these to fit the particular revolver after removing the flat spring and dressing the backside of the hand (pawl). They are just short of full length. That's because of the different hands (thicknesses) that I encounter. The tail is then turned to allow the spring to be installed. These are easily made with a drill, 1" bench belt sander and calipers.
I make them from stock because using drill bits would get costly in production .

The horse pistols get the larger dia. The rest get Ruger size (but NOT Ruger plungers).

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Coffinmaker · November 27, 2016, 09:42:42 PM

Nah. It's Poe Tah Toe .. vs .. Spud.

I prefer to use the item on the left as pictured. Seems to work a treat in Pietta Cap Guns. And yes, Pettifogger had the part numbers for the plunger and spring in an old(er) article. I order em from Brownells 6 each at a time. Saves me from having to make em.

Coffinmaker

PS: Those Sproings Mike. Those Sproings!! Where'd ya get those Sproings?? I could start making my own again yaknowd (Push Rods, not da Sproings)

45 Dragoon · November 27, 2016, 09:44:28 PM

They are made with a tail?

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45 Dragoon · November 27, 2016, 09:47:11 PM

I don't think you've ever bought the one on the left because I've never sold them ! Lo!!!(if you're talking about my pic.)

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Coffinmaker · November 27, 2016, 09:49:36 PM

Nah ..... on Pettifoggers Left... right ... left ... right ... left .... right

Mike

45 Dragoon · November 27, 2016, 09:54:19 PM

Lol! Gotcha!

The sproings are from the ACME sprang cat-a- log . I'll have to find some more and I'll post it . Maybe Harbor freight? Duno . .

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45 Dragoon · November 27, 2016, 10:01:42 PM

What I really need is for someone to tell me why my Rossi Rio Grand thurty- thurty (Marlin copy) locks up when cycled on its side or upside down (works fine otherwise)? I need schoolin . . . .
I think it may be something with the lifter's interaction with the spring loaded cam? I don't know anything about um.
(Oh yeah, it's new, ain't been shot . . . )

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