45acp load

Eph289 · July 29, 2016, 05:34:18 AM

Can anyone give me a load for 45 acp 1911 using Trail Boss with 250 grain round nose lead And the preferred OAL?

Johnny McCrae · July 29, 2016, 06:18:35 AM

I've been using 3.8 grains of Trail Boss with a 230 grain RN Lead Bullet along with a 1.200" OAL

mehavey · July 29, 2016, 06:39:48 AM

Read Beauregard Quitman's reply on this very same topic here:
http://www.sassnet.com/wildbunch/forum/index.php?topic=148.0
(about a 1/4 down the page)

But two questions for the OP:
- What are you shooting the cartridge in ?
- Why Trailboss w/ so many other classic 45ACP powders/combinations available ?

Bunk Stagnerg · July 29, 2016, 09:34:14 AM

When I occasionally load .45ACP I go with Titegroup. Trail Boss will work and runs in my Caspian 1911, but I like Titegroup better.
It meters better in my 550B than Trail Boss and is a a lot more available.
It seems the Trail Boss pipe line had dried up.
Bunk

Coffinmaker · July 29, 2016, 09:37:07 AM

Admittedly, my response doesn't actually address the OP's question. In fact, it's not even close. I just thought on a Friday Morning,
I would share some trivial, almost related, somewhat on topic, information

I personally like a FULL CASE of 3f. The look on the faces of ALL the observers is worth the clean-up

Coffinmaker

Crow Choker · July 29, 2016, 10:55:44 AM

Trail Boss is a good powder, I use it mostly in 45 Colt, sometimes with 44 Spec. Loaded up some in 38 Spec a while back-yet to shoot them. As mehavey pointed out:
- Why Trailboss w/ so many other classic 45ACP powders/combinations available ?
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Unless TB is all you can get, you want to use up a large inventory, or you just like the powder, as pointed out, "Why w/ so many others". I've shot and loaded 45acp for around eight years now and have had good results with Win 231 and HP-38 (they're the same powder, different wrapper). I've played around with Win Auto-Comp with good results, even tried Red Dot. The best I've used, others have said it too, and will keep using unless another comes down the pike is Titegroup. Meters good, isn't pricey, always seems to be in good supply, isn't position sensitive, clean burning, and very accurate with a wide range of bullets. If you do the math at 7000 grains to a pound of powder, I've found that the prices in my area for any of the powders I listed and of those on line, the price per grain for TrailBoss is way over the others. It seems cheaper when you buy a container, but that container is only 9 oz. compared to a full pound (16 oz). Double if not more $$ per round. At times in my area and from what others have pointed out TB can get hard to find at times. The link to the SASS forum post was interesting and revealing. Anyway, safe loading and shooting to ya.

Eph289 · July 29, 2016, 11:08:34 AM

I use Trail Boss and 250 grain round nose lead in my 45 colt. Just wondered what load with the same components to use in my AO 1911 45 acp.
Johnny, would 3.8 grains under 250 grain lead be a good start?
Thanks for the replays guys.

Johnny McCrae · July 31, 2016, 05:57:41 AM

I could not find any data for a 250 grain RN lead bullet. I strongly suggest you call IMR. They are very helpful.

I use Trail Boss for my .45 ACP rounds because I have it on hand for my Cowboy ammo. I don't shoot many .45 ACP rounds, just an occasional Wild Bunch match. It has worked well for me.

wildman1 · August 01, 2016, 03:12:43 PM

Quote from: Eph289 on July 29, 2016, 11:08:34 AM
I use Trail Boss and 250 grain round nose lead in my 45 colt. Just wondered what load with the same components to use in my AO 1911 45 acp.
Johnny, would 3.8 grains under 250 grain lead be a good start?
Thanks for the replays guys.

You may find the 250g 45 Colt bullet to be a little fat in the nose to run well in a 1911. I have only one out of 6 that will run the 45 Colt bullet and even it does not do it well. Also be careful about the relationship between OAL- case internal space. When you seat the bullet a little deeper to get the correct OAL you will decrease the internal airspace and increase pressure when the round is fired. Be safe. wM1

Will Lynchem · December 23, 2016, 05:30:35 AM

I agree with Johnny McCrae. I have had really good luck with 3.8 grn of Trail Boss but I shoot a 225 gn bullet RNFP moly coated made by Bear Creek. I shoot the same bullet and load in both my 1911 and my 1873 Winchester lever action. Great load with little kick back and good punch for knock down targets.

Johnny McCrae · December 23, 2016, 06:00:21 AM

The 230 Grain Round Nose Bullets I use are also coated. I get them from SNS Casting
http://www.snscasting.com/45-acp-230-grain-round-nose-red-coated-1000ct/

Coffinmaker · December 23, 2016, 03:31:03 PM

I would also now like to share a little tid bit. TrailBoss tends to get gummy with petroleum based lubricants. You may well find the buildup of gooey stuff slows the slide down until it ...... sticks. TrailBoss and 45 ACP doesn't necessarily play well together.

Coffinmaker

August · December 23, 2016, 04:05:15 PM

The Long Colt's bullet has a different ogive than does a proper acp bullet. Get the right bullets for an harmonious outcome.

1961MJS · January 15, 2018, 10:16:23 PM

Quote from: Johnny McCrae on December 23, 2016, 06:00:21 AM
The 230 Grain Round Nose Bullets I use are also coated. I get them from SNS Casting
http://www.snscasting.com/45-acp-230-grain-round-nose-red-coated-1000ct/

Hi Johnny

Do you lube the grease grooves in those? Missouri Bullet has something like those and a bullet with no grease groove at all. I guess I could try both. I'm looking at a load for a lead or coated lead for a Rock Island Mil-Spec in .45 ACP.

Later

wildman1 · January 18, 2018, 06:18:52 AM

Quote from: 1961MJS on January 15, 2018, 10:16:23 PM
Hi Johnny

Do you lube the grease grooves in those? Missouri Bullet has something like those and a bullet with no grease groove at all. I guess I could try both. I'm looking at a load for a lead or coated lead for a Rock Island Mil-Spec in .45 ACP.

Later

The load I like for my RI is a full case of Black MZ and an unlubed 230 g RN from Scarlett Darlin.
Will run all day long no issues.
eM1

Baltimore Ed · January 18, 2018, 09:24:20 AM

A 250 gr cowboy bullet is a little too much bullet for a 1911 imo. I guess you could get it to work if you seated it deep enough but why beat your gun and your hands up. I use my 200 gr RNFP cowboy bullets in all my .45 acps. I tried trail boss and didn't care for it but any of the Dot powders ( red dot, clay dot, clays) work well along with the old standard bullseye. I understand your logic in making one bullet/ powder work for all. I do it too but 1911s are easier to shoot and more accurate with light bullets and light loads. Many years ago I experimented with heavy bullets in a 625 smith revolver for bowling pin matches. It would knock em right off the table.