Volcanic -> Henry -> 1866

[Drydock]

https://www.full30.com/video/5a0008d4ba514a2ac9f54776fb1dca6e

[Driftwood Johnson]

Howdy

Excellent video. One very minor correction. The speaker states that Smith and Wesson purchased the Rollin White patent for bored through chambers. That is incorrect. Although S&W wanted to buy the patent, White refused to sell. Instead he licensed S&W to use the idea, and they paid him a royalty for every firearm they produced until the patent expired around 1869.

[tommy4toes]

Nice video - thanks !

T4t

[Jake C]

Howdy

Excellent video. One very minor correction. The speaker states that Smith and Wesson purchased the Rollin White patent for bored through chambers. That is incorrect. Although S&W wanted to buy the patent, White refused to sell. Instead he licensed S&W to use the idea, and they paid him a royalty for every firearm they produced until the patent expired around 1869.

Man, what I wouldn't give to have a cash cow like that.

Great video! I love looking at the evolution of these iconic firearms.

[Sir Charles deMouton-Black]

Rolin White applied for a renewal, and renewals were routinely granted. According to McDowell in COLT CONVERSIONS, The Army was upset with him in not making his patent available to them in the War.

Surprise, Surprise! The renewal was refused!

The Army and Colt celebrated by immediately issuing the Richards conversion revolver and the .44 Martin (aka .44 Colt) cartridge. These developments had been in the works for some time, just waiting for Rolin White to go away.

The rest of the gunmaking world thought the Rolin White patent was bogus, and very properly ignored him.

P.S: The Rolin White patent actually had the effect of thwarting firearms developement, not encouraging it!

[Scattered Thumbs]

Man, what I wouldn't give to have a cash cow like that.

Great video! I love looking at the evolution of these iconic firearms.

It didn't work out very well for him. He had the responsibility to pursue in the courts of law every patent infringement that Smith & Wesson sent his way. It cost him hard cash to do so.

[Jake C]

It didn't work out very well for him. He had the responsibility to pursue in the courts of law every patent infringement that Smith & Wesson sent his way. It cost him hard cash to do so.

Right, I admit, I didn't consider that. So never mind. Might have been if he had just sold the patent then. Oh well.

[Fox Creek Kid]

Rolin White applied for a renewal, and renewals were routinely granted. According to McDowell in COLT CONVERSIONS, The Army was upset with him in not making his patent available to them in the War.

Surprise, Surprise! The renewal was refused!

The Army and Colt celebrated by immediately issuing the Richards conversion revolver and the .44 Martin (aka .44 Colt) cartridge. These developments had been in the works for some time, just waiting for Rolin White to go away.

The rest of the gunmaking world thought the Rolin White patent was bogus, and very properly ignored him.

P.S: The Rolin White patent actually had the effect of thwarting firearms developement, not encouraging it!

Grant vetoed the patent extension which today would be tossed out in a minute in a court of law. Grant had no such constitutional powers, not unlike the same shenanigans the current POTUS has pulled. The Gov't cannot simply "cherry pick" what laws to adhere to under the law technically speakling just because it would save them money.

[Sir Charles deMouton-Black]

Presidential veto. Interesting, especially coming from a former general, who had the defence of the realm at heart.

IMHO the Patent on a bored-through cylinder was bogus from the start. perhaps that is why White had to spend so much time & treasure defending it?

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[Fox Creek Kid]

...IMHO the Patent on a bored-through cylinder was bogus from the start. perhaps that is why White had to spend so much time & treasure defending it?

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It was a superb patent as no one had thought of it before as it relates to metallic ctgs. He spent so much money defending it for that very reason as many sought to make big $$ on infringement.

[Driftwood Johnson]

It was a superb patent as no one had thought of it before as it relates to metallic ctgs. He spent so much money defending it for that very reason as many sought to make big $$ on infringement.

Absolutely! It was a very clever patent that nobody had thought of before.

Daniel Wesson came up with the same idea, but when he and Smith did a patent search they discovered the idea had already been patented by White. And White had offered the idea to Sam Colt, who in what was probably the worst business decision of his life, decided to pass. So White patented it himself.

He charged S&W a royalty of 25 cents on every revolver they made, but since Daniel Wesson had cleverly inserted a clause in the contract that White was responsible for policing the patent, White was stuck chasing patent infringers all over the country. And there were plenty of them. White wound up penniless in the end, having spent most of his money from the royalties defending his patent.

[Tuolumne Lawman]

What we need is a .32 S&W Volcanic rifle!  Didn't someone do a Volcanic pistol a few years back in .32 S&W?

[Coffinmaker]

I followed a series a couple of years ago on "Paco Kelly's Lever Guns."  A VERY TALENTED machinist built a Volcanic pistol and a Volcanic rifle.  Don't remember the caliber.  I'll see if I can find it.

Coffinmaker

[Abilene]

I think that guy made ammo from .40 S&W cases.

[Coffinmaker]

Abilene!!

BINGO!!  .  Went digging around with Google Foo and found it.  Charlie used .40 SW cut down real short.  I'd give my eye teeth to have one.  Charlie said he'd never take a commission to built one for someone else.  WAY too expensive.

Coffinmaker

[Abilene]

Here ya go:

http://shootingwithhobie.blogspot.com/search?q=volcanic

I thought it was on this site or The OPen Range as well but couldn't find that.

[Mike]

I would buy one if they could be made in say 32 or 44 short. I wont hold my breath. even a non firing exact copy would be great to have.