The Thanksgiving Rifle

Started by ndnchf, November 26, 2015, 07:58:55 PM

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ndnchf

I had no idea that a rifle that came over on the Mayflower still existed - amazing. If it could talk, the stories it could tell.

http://www.guns.com/2012/11/22/thanksgivings-first-rifle-the-mayflower-wheel-lock-carbine/
"We're all travelers in this world.  From the sweet grass to the packing house, birth till death, we travel between the eternities"  Prentiss Ritter, Broken Trail

Major 2

Italian made, by Beretta at that ...... imagine that   
when planets align...do the deal !

Delmonico

Writer calls it a rife, a carbine and a musket, writer should figure out what the heck they are talking about before engaging keyboard.   
Mongrel Historian


Always get the water for the coffee upstream from the herd.

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The time has passed so quick, the years all run together now.

dusty texian

Thanks for the link ndnchf. That is one very historical firearm.  WOW ! ,,,,,,,DT

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Quote from: Delmonico on November 26, 2015, 11:48:51 PM
Writer calls it a rife, a carbine and a musket, writer should figure out what the heck they are talking about before engaging keyboard.   


Most writers do not know the difference.  They think that all of those words are synonyms.  ::)

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ndnchf

Despite the writer's shortcomings, the arm is an incredible artifact and probably one of the earliest firearms to come to the new world. That it has been passed down through the Alden family for generations and preserved for all to see iis amazing.
"We're all travelers in this world.  From the sweet grass to the packing house, birth till death, we travel between the eternities"  Prentiss Ritter, Broken Trail

Major 2

Quote from: ndnchf on November 27, 2015, 04:06:36 PM
Despite the writer's shortcomings, the arm is an incredible artifact and probably one of the earliest firearms to come to the new world. That it has been passed down through the Alden family for generations and preserved for all to see iis amazing.

Priceless with it's heritage,  but I wonder what the insurance writer values it at.... :-\

It is amazing indeed. I'd like see it in person ....adds to buckets list  ;)

 
when planets align...do the deal !

Delmonico

Wonderful artifact yes, but why is a place called Guns.com paying someone who can't get things right?  I have a problem with someone like that contributing to the dumbing down of America. 
Mongrel Historian


Always get the water for the coffee upstream from the herd.

Ab Ovo Usque ad Mala

The time has passed so quick, the years all run together now.

Montana Slim

Catching up on posts today....Appreciate the info on this rifle of the Mayflower settlers.
John Alden is among my seven Mayflower ancestors known to me. Another early ancestor of mine came on the next ship "Fortune". His name, Bassett....an early gunsmith/blacksmith. Possible he repaired the arm at one time or another.

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Fox Creek Kid

Great link!! I've eaten food that I believe came over on the Mayflower!!   ;D   ;)

Delmonico

Quote from: Fox Creek Kid on December 14, 2015, 10:50:22 PM
Great link!! I've eaten food that I believe came over on the Mayflower!!   ;D   ;)

Nope, they were out of food and beer so they had to land.  Spent the winter drinking lousy beer and eating lobsters.  ;) :-\
Mongrel Historian


Always get the water for the coffee upstream from the herd.

Ab Ovo Usque ad Mala

The time has passed so quick, the years all run together now.

Blair

So, how did they come by the "lousy beer"?
My best,
Blair
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God and the soldier we adore.
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Delmonico

Quote from: Blair on December 15, 2015, 11:29:50 AM
So, how did they come by the "lousy beer"?
My best,
Blair

They made it, people could do things back then.
Mongrel Historian


Always get the water for the coffee upstream from the herd.

Ab Ovo Usque ad Mala

The time has passed so quick, the years all run together now.

Blair

Landed because they were out of food and beer? (both of which, according to the documents, are very true)
So, just what was it they were making "lousy beer" from...?
My best,
Blair
A Time for Prayer.
"In times of war and not before,
God and the soldier we adore.
But in times of peace and all things right,
God is forgotten and the soldier slighted"
by Rudyard Kipling.
Blair Taylor
Life-C 21

Delmonico

Quote from: Blair on December 15, 2015, 12:10:55 PM
Landed because they were out of food and beer? (both of which, according to the documents, are very true)
So, just what was it they were making "lousy beer" from...?
My best,
Blair

Well if you can remember they found and dug up catches of corn, plus you can make beer out of about anything with starch in it, including roots of all kinds, they call it root beer and it ain't soda pop.
Mongrel Historian


Always get the water for the coffee upstream from the herd.

Ab Ovo Usque ad Mala

The time has passed so quick, the years all run together now.

Blair

Yes, of course.
There are the Native grains and roots that would have been available in the "New World"
Some, but not all would not have been familiar to the English.

Just one of the things the English were looking for in the Virginia Colony was Sasiphase (spelling) to ship back to the London Co.
Most of the Native American food stuffs, grains and such were unfamiliar to the English.
It will take the English some time to learn how to put these foods stuffs into usage.
My best,
Blair
A Time for Prayer.
"In times of war and not before,
God and the soldier we adore.
But in times of peace and all things right,
God is forgotten and the soldier slighted"
by Rudyard Kipling.
Blair Taylor
Life-C 21


Delmonico

See some SOB with something to sell lied to us, next thing you know they be taking the stuff they make soap out of and telling us it's better for us than lard. 
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Always get the water for the coffee upstream from the herd.

Ab Ovo Usque ad Mala

The time has passed so quick, the years all run together now.

Sir Charles deMouton-Black

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Blair

Ask yourself one question... would you rather be eating known foods, or turning that product into beer?
I like beer. but I like a full belly more.
Native American food stuffs are an unknown to the English during this time period. Not just as source for food but beer will come somewhat later in these "New World" settlement.

But this thread is about a firearm and not about beer!
My best,
Blair
A Time for Prayer.
"In times of war and not before,
God and the soldier we adore.
But in times of peace and all things right,
God is forgotten and the soldier slighted"
by Rudyard Kipling.
Blair Taylor
Life-C 21

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