Pietta - Coming 2016

[LonesomePigeon]

The lack of the trombone bell was the first thing I noticed.

There's no step in the water table(I think that's the right term) but look at where the bottom curve of the recoil shield stops, there's an effective step right there. In other words, the contour of the recoil shield ends above the water table rather than at the water table.

[Major 2]

welp...I'll chime in once again , if that is photo of the actual gun then doesn't the back strap & TG look blued ?

I have this circa 2008  [CC]  Pietta with it's steel back strap & TG , no Pietta tail ("Trombone Bell").
I know you've seen it before , I post to illustrate the point... 


I've heard of late, new 2015 Pietta Navy's  have corrected the Brass Back-strap, haven't held nor seen one in the wild as yet.
If so , It's good thing then 

[Flint]

Looks like they carried the 44 cylinder cut in the frame all the way back to the recoil shield, which would leave a gap where the navy diameter would have been in the frame, and require a longer protrusion for the bolt...  a good place to build up crud.  At a viewing angle where it would show, probably not attractive.  Cheaper to make, though, and probably the reason.

[Abilene]

Anybody notice that Navy Gripframe does NOT have the "Trombone Bell" at the bottom of the grip??  Way KOOL!!...

As I mentioned earlier, the gun does not have a Navy grip.  It has the gripframe and grip that they put on their SAA's.

[hellgate]

The Colt SAA and '51 Navy grips are the same at least on a Colt and proper copies. The Pietta "Navy" grip doesn't fit me at all and points the gun high.

[Abilene]

The Colt SAA and '51 Navy grips are the same at least on a Colt and proper copies. The Pietta "Navy" grip doesn't fit me at all and points the gun high.

Firstly, we are talking about copies and not Colts.  Uberti Navy grips are also different than Uberti SAA grips.  And while I have a great respect for your knowledge base, I disagree on originals.  Look closely at photos, the SAA grip was based on the Navy grip but they are slightly different.  The Navy grip does have a slight flare at the rear and curves forward slightly more in the front.

[Coffinmaker]

Hey everybody!!  I'm back    Again 

Just finished an inspection trip.  To the safe.  Went and pulled out my Pietta "navy" reproductions.  Both pair, all four guns, the recoil shield
stops well above the water table.  The recoil shield on my 1860s also stop well above the recoil shield.  There is no "step" as the navy is dead flat all the way back all the way back to the recoil shield.  Pietta has standardized.  Everything Pietta makes is based on their version of the Navy frame.  There '51, '61, '62 and '60s are all based on their '51 frame.  Most Colts were also based on their '51 frame.  A '51 has a straight, non fluted cylinder as does the '61.  The '62 has flutes.  The '60s have both, fluted and straight with rebate.  The frame intended to portray the '60 has the rebate on the water table.  As I mentioned elsewhere, both of my '51 based guns (1861 and 1862)
will accept a '60 cylinder and barrel.  Drop on.  Simple.
So ..... the new gun we see in the photo is a '51 frame, white, heat treated ah la their '44 '51 Marshal.  Well, I betcha it's heat treated.  And accepts a 60 cylinder and barrel, no sweat.  KOOL 

Major 2:  No.  The Trigger Guard and Back Strap do NOT "look" blued.  They are Blued.  Good looking too.  Additionally, I have a pair of 2015 Build 1862 NYM POLICE.  The Gripframe does NOT have the "Trombone Bell."  They are really Colty.  I don't care for Navy pattern grips but, I really like these.  I would not however, buy mail-order.  Far too many New Old Stock guns still on dealers shelves.  Caviar Emptyer there. 

Abilene:  Pietta SAA Gripsets and BP Gripsets DO NOT interchange.  Unless Pietta has done som more standardization, That ain't an SAA
Gripframe.  Pietta Gripframe screws are also different from PB to Cartridge guns.  Go figure.  My 1862 Grips look more SAA but not quite.
The appearance can be deceiving.

So basically, the new gun is a "Frankenpistol" that just happens to look really KOOL.  I want a pair.  Make some way cool Snubbies out of em.

Hellgate:  The old (I hope old) Pietta Brass Navy Gripset caused EVERYBODY to point high until the shot them long enough to get use to em.  I couldn't stand em.  Traded em off as fast as I could and put Army Gripsets on EVERYTHING. 
If you start going through ALL the reproductions, and I do mean ALL, your going to find inconsistencies.  The guns we can afford to assimilate and play with are ALL copies.  There are no real "proper" copies.  Some do look better than others but don't try interchanging parts.  Your going to be doing a LOT of fitting and some simply won't work.
I think someone mentioned, if you take a close look at the inspiration (Colt 1851) you should almost immediately notice the Trumpet Bell at the heal.  Not as pronounced as the Trombone Bell on a Pietta, but it's there.  Wasn't corrected until the 1873.  I personally just don't like Navy grips nor SAA grips ..... period.

Gonna be a real neat gun.  I'll hold it, and squeeze it, and pet it and call it George!!  Oh, Are they here yet?

Coffinmaker

[LonesomePigeon]

The recoil shield on my Gregorelli & Uberti 1851 Navy stops right at the water table.

[Coffinmaker]

So??

We're talking about Pietta.

Coffinmaker

[Lefty Dude]

So??

We're talking about Pietta.

Coffinmaker

WOW ! I would not shut an Out-House door that hard !

[Blair]

Sounds like what Pietta has saved themselves a lot of machine coasts. It also doesn't sound like they are paying attention to historic accuracy either. 
Your term "Frankenpistol", or perhaps it would be best to call them Frankenpistols, would be a good reason to stay away.
A .44 cal. cylinder on a .36 barreled frame.
Yep, I can see it happening all because its "Drop on. Simple."
But what the heck, they are "cool", and Pietta saves a lot on tooling coast.
My best I hope,
Blair

[Coffinmaker]

Aw Krap.  I'm sorry.  I normally try not to be rude crude and a social putz.  Please accept my apologies.

My bad.  Shouldn't take out my "bad" day on others.  OOPS.

Sorry Pigeon.  I really didn't mean to be that mean.

Coffinmaker

[Coffinmaker]

Hey Blair,

Yup.  Saving a bundle on machining costs.  Very cost effective.  It also makes it really simple for the Gunplumbers.  If you have a Pietta "hand,"  you have a hand for ALL the Piettas.  Same same for ALL the operation parts.  Hammers, Bolts, triggers, Springs, all interchange.
It certainly simplifies parts inventory as well.  Barrels and Cylinders all interchange as well. 

The Barrel and Cylinder interchangeability does present a certain amount of .......... hazard.  Yup.  A 36 barrel in front of a 44 cylinder would certainly provide a certain amount of "excitement."  I have always made it a practice not to have TWO guns apart on the bench at the same time.  Put the "swap parts" in individual parts trays and keep everything separate.  Then do an inventory when your done.  With a very careful look at the holes.

Other than the two different caliber hazard, having all the guns interchange is a real plus when you want to put something "different" together.  It's really fun.
Pietta does not and never has been real concerned with historical accuracy.  As we were oft to say in the cabinet shop "Looks fine from the Freeway - Ship It."  I would be more inclined to call it histerical accuracy.  Hence, the Pietta '51 Pepperbox.  Cute.  Couldn't find a pair when I started my persona of SteamPunk.  By the time they came back around, I had already spent my "mad" money on a "suitable substitute" (Old Sears Catalogue cliché). 
I really like being able to swap "Thunderer" style grips on all the different Cap Guns.  Different barrels, Different cylinders.  Make a 44
Navy "never Never" look like a big '62 "never never."  Look really neat from 3 feet out.  One can have a lot of fun with "frankenpistol."

Coffinmaker

[Fox Creek Kid]

...Pietta does not and never has been real concerned with historical accuracy...

[john boy]

"More Coming Soon"

[Professor Marvel]

Oooooooooohhhhh

pretty!

fun.....

and affordable!

yhs
prof (cheap) marvel

[Galen]

Hope they do a better job then they did with their attempt at remaking the Starr revolver!

[LonesomePigeon]

No problem Coffin. This thread is about Pietta's, I was just thinking about Navy's in general. I like the design and the more historically grips on this Pietta and if they make it in .36 I would sure like to have one, or a pair. Looking around on the net some of the 2nd Gen Colt's and at least one original Colt the recoil shields do stop a little bit above the water table so that feature on the Pietta would not be a deal breaker for me.

[The Pathfinder]

Ok, now you got me wondering, so I dug out my Pietta 1860s, and all of them have a step in the frame for the 44 cal cylinder. I've only go three Pietta's out of my almost 2 dozen 1860s, and two of those are pre 2003 at least, but I've got a 2013 London model (I know, I know, never existed, at least not like this), it has their SAA steel gripstraps but otherwise appears to be a normal 1860, not even a London address anywhere. So I guess my question is if the 1851 44 cal frame is different from their 1860 cal frame? The 1860 also has the extra screws and the recoil shield cutouts for the shoulder stock where they aren't present on the 1851 frame.

[Lefty Dude]

Must be a new frame. My 1860's & 1851 44's both have rebated cylinders and stepped water tables. My 1851/36's, straight cylinders & straight water table.